67 California delivered JC code

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Thanks everyone for the input. I am about a year away from having it Judged but I plan on presenting everything to the Judges and see what they think? I am tryong to run down past history of the car but my guess is whoever bought it my have taken it to a neighboring state and titled it or someone in Calif. did not care. It was not a race car but had power brakes, steering etc. Anybody know if Bliss and Paden chevrolet in Los Angelos is still around or kept any records? The original owner was R.H. Walker, 4262 Arcola Ave. North Hollywood, Calif anyone have any knowledge of him?

Charles------


Well, now I know more about Bliss and Padden Chevrolet. They were located on the NE corner of Westwood BL and Wellsworth Avenue in Westwood (Los Angeles), CA, just a block south of Wilshire Bl. They closed in 1971. A theatre complex was later built on the site but I believe it's closed now, too.

Just to show how many Chevrolet dealers there once were, there used to be a Chevrolet dealer in Beverly Hills called Emerald Chevrolet. That's really only a few miles from where Bliss and Padden was located.

Also, the former Bliss and Padden site nearly backs up to another very famous location-----the tiny and completely encircled Westwood Memorial Park Cemetery. This is the final resting place of NUMEROUS celebrities including Marilyn Monroe, Dean Martin, Burt Lancaster, Carroll O'Connor, Jack Lemmon, Don Knotts and Natalie Wood. In fact, Marilyn "took up residency" there in 1962 when Bliss and Padden was probably in its heyday just across the way.

[Wayne M.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

...how can i get a copy of that report . this is my car

Dennis -- do you mean that you have NOT got your GM Canada Vintage package ? Email me.

Wayne, in Calgary AB

[James G.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Back in the day, I had my California Smog License from 1966 thru 1999 when I finally retired from the repair business.

In the mid 60's, we had to take a sample of exhaust thru our certified tester, and "HAND WRITE" the HC and CO readings on these little pink slips that were in duplicate, and we kept the copy in our SMOG BOOK. This inspection was due WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE CAR USED, or if you just moved to California and were getting your first registration. If a car did not meet the test standard, then we had to due a tune up, carb repair etc. to get it to the standards and also certify that original emmission control items on the car were operational and working correctly.

Out of state cars had the same test, so we had to test and certify that the smog equiptment originally "ON THE CAR AS PRODUCED" was there and operational. Yes, we checked the engine pad codes to verify that an owner DID NOT remove a K-19 system.

It was very common to see cars with engines not Cal certified with Arizona and Nevada temp tags being smog checked with little or no miles on them. A buyer would by his car in Vegas, and drive it home and then register it in California.

In 1975, Cat Convertors were added to vehicles, and the law changed as to out of state vehicles being admitted to the state. The state no longer trusted us "air patrol testers" any more and added that

"ANY 49 STATE NON CALIFORNIA CERTIFIED ENGINE VEHICLE, MUST HAVE A MINIUMN OF 7500 MILES ON THE ODMETER BEFORE IT WILL BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THE STATE"

So, if you really wanted to buy that 75 manual trans L-82 engine, which was not certified for sale in California as a new vehicle, you had to drive it 7500 or more miles before you could legally bring it home. That law is still on the books, so no more dealer trades with non California certified engines.

I would guess the 'JC' 400hp engine with a California POP, was a dealer trade from out of state. And yes, you could buy K-19 if you wanted it. Why ?? Who knows. By 1968, all 50 states had K-19 requirements. Or GM thought so, as most cars had the item on their drivelines.

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Back in the day, I had my California Smog License from 1966 thru 1999 when I finally retired from the repair business.

In the mid 60's, we had to take a sample of exhaust thru our certified tester, and "HAND WRITE" the HC and CO readings on these little pink slips that were in duplicate, and we kept the copy in our SMOG BOOK. This inspection was due WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE CAR USED, or if you just moved to California and were getting your first registration. If a car did not meet the test standard, then we had to due a tune up, carb repair etc. to get it to the standards and also certify that original emmission control items on the car were operational and working correctly.

Out of state cars had the same test, so we had to test and certify that the smog equiptment originally "ON THE CAR AS PRODUCED" was there and operational. Yes, we checked the engine pad codes to verify that an owner DID NOT remove a K-19 system.

It was very common to see cars with engines not Cal certified with Arizona and Nevada temp tags being smog checked with little or no miles on them. A buyer would by his car in Vegas, and drive it home and then register it in California.

In 1975, Cat Convertors were added to vehicles, and the law changed as to out of state vehicles being admitted to the state. The state no longer trusted us "air patrol testers" any more and added that

"ANY 49 STATE NON CALIFORNIA CERTIFIED ENGINE VEHICLE, MUST HAVE A MINIUMN OF 7500 MILES ON THE ODMETER BEFORE IT WILL BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THE STATE"

So, if you really wanted to buy that 75 manual trans L-82 engine, which was not certified for sale in California as a new vehicle, you had to drive it 7500 or more miles before you could legally bring it home. That law is still on the books, so no more dealer trades with non California certified engines.

I would guess the 'JC' 400hp engine with a California POP, was a dealer trade from out of state. And yes, you could buy K-19 if you wanted it. Why ?? Who knows. By 1968, all 50 states had K-19 requirements. Or GM thought so, as most cars had the item on their drivelines.

Jim-----

I think the 1968 exhaust emission regulations were a federal requirement. The USEPA did not exist at that time, of course, but a predecessor agency which I believe was some bureau of the HEW, made the requirement. So, this is why the exhaust emission controls began to be implemented nation-wide for the 1968 model year.

Curiously, there were different ways of complying with exhaust emission regulations. For 1968-69, most Chevrolets with manual transmissions used the air injection reactor (AIR) system. However, most Chevrolets with automatic transmissions used the controlled combustion system (CCS) and, consequently, used no AIR pump. If you have any of your old "smog books", I think you'll be able to confirm this. The 68-69 exception was Corvettes. All Corvettes, whether manual or automatic transmission, used the AIR system.

So, why were Corvettes the exception and why did 68-69 Corvettes with THM-400 transmission get the dreaded "smog pump" while other Chevrolet models didn't? I am almost certain it's because Chevrolet knew that the AIR system, although FAR more expensive than the CCS, was the LEAST PERFORMANCE ROBBING system of the 2 systems. Corvettes, being a very performance-oriented car and the most expensive Chevrolet product of the day, received the more expensive AIR system across all applications for 68-69. For 1970-71, the "bean counters" apparently prevailed and CCS was used for most Corvette applications excepting special high performance LT-1 and LS-6.

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Thanks everyone for the input. I am about a year away from having it Judged but I plan on presenting everything to the Judges and see what they think? I am tryong to run down past history of the car but my guess is whoever bought it my have taken it to a neighboring state and titled it or someone in Calif. did not care. It was not a race car but had power brakes, steering etc. Anybody know if Bliss and Paden chevrolet in Los Angelos is still around or kept any records? The original owner was R.H. Walker, 4262 Arcola Ave. North Hollywood, Calif anyone have any knowledge of him?

Charles-----


I've got another bit of information for you that might help you find out some more information regarding the original owner of the car. The home at 4262 Arcola Avenue, North Hollywood, CA (this address in North Hollywood is now known as Toluca Lake, CA) was built in 1960. It was sold in 2006. However, the folks that lived there prior to 2006 lived there for a VERY long time-----at least as far back as 1978 and probably well prior to that. So, if you were to contact the folks that live there now, perhaps they could give you some information on the prior owners. Those folks, in turn, might be able to tell you something about R. H. Walker.

I don't know who the current owners are but that information would be available from public records. A phone number might even be available from a reverse directory, assuming it's listed. Definitely, let us all know what you find out if you pursue this.

[James G.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Joe,
You are so correct.

In these days, (and still today ) every engine sold in a new California vehicle must be tested under special conditions with its entire driveline hooked up. A real dyno test with transmission and differential in place. The car manfactures had to supply the car and driveline to CARB (California Air Resources Board ) for this test. To meet spec with a 4 speed, the A.I.R sytem out performed the CCS, which retarded spark and created higher temperatures. This high temp was unacceptable with the big blocks.

GM was charged over $50000 for each test for each motor. As time went on the cost went up, and CARB acceptable emmision levels went down. By 1971, many engines were not legal for sale new in California, like the LS6 Chevelle. Many big blocks had to have automatic trans only, as 4 speed cars could not meet the limits.

I wish I saved my old yearly Smog Books. They pointed out each engine of every vehicle made, and what its acceptable limits were. We were the air polution police, and people use to yell and scream every year if their car failed the test. It really wasn't that tough if you took care of you car.

My wife still owns her original 77 Corvette she bought new 6 months before I met her. Every two years now, we have to take the car to a special TEST ONLY station to get certified on the dyno. The emmision levels of HC 12, and CO at .10 were met last year. The technician always is amazed how well that old 78000 mile car passes the test.

[Richard S.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Wayne,

Nice to see you able to help out a fellow Canuck and Corvette Owner with some of that Canadian GM Corvette information you have collected. I posted the VIN's for the 40 or so Corvettes I have information on....but so far no inquiries....

[Mark M.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Hi Charles, While researching k19 c2c I saw this 6 year old conversation. In light of more recent services available through NCRS like shipping data service and document validation, I'm wondering if you have had this done on your vin. and POP? It's an interesting case with your 67 and I'm curious if any new light could be shed on it. Good luck on the car. Mark

[Charles A.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Hi Charles, While researching k19 c2c I saw this 6 year old conversation. In light of more recent services available through NCRS like shipping data service and document validation, I'm wondering if you have had this done on your vin. and POP? It's an interesting case with your 67 and I'm curious if any new light could be shed on it. Good luck on the car. Mark

Mark I did get a vehicle shipping report and it showed the same delivery as the POP, a dealer in Hollywood, California. I did finish the car in November 2013 and received a Top Flight award. Car was also invited to the Amelia Island Concours where it won a corporate award as the best car in show that was substantially restored by the owner ( The B.S. Levy "Buddy Palumbo Award"). Still carries the JC data boss but never could solve the riddle. My thought was the owner in Hollywood maybe registered and took it to a neighboring state. The pop shows no service history at the California or any other dealer.

[Charles A.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Forgot to add NCRS does not validate POP's but there is no question mine is legitimate.

[Dave S.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Hi Charles, While researching k19 c2c I saw this 6 year old conversation. In light of more recent services available through NCRS like shipping data service and document validation, I'm wondering if you have had this done on your vin. and POP? It's an interesting case with your 67 and I'm curious if any new light could be shed on it. Good luck on the car. Mark

in addition the rules have changed regarding the judging of the warranty book and POP. They are no longer judged. I guess that if it was needed to prove an option then the POP could be used as a reference.

[James G.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

If this car was sold new in California with the ''JC'' engine which signified it was a NON K-19 SMOG PUMP production model, all the tech had to do was test it and adjust timing and carb specs to meet the HC and CO specifications. The car slipped into dealer inventory some how. More than likely a dealer trade from Arizona or Nevada as stated above. I am curious about the NCRS Shipping doc delivery statement. The laws started in 1966 for smog pump regulations, so all 66 cars were affected as well.

[Bob H.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

Hi Charles. For about $20.00 you can have Oregon check their archives just in case the car went that direction. My car was sold in Sacramento new but went to Oregon in 69. for nearly all its life. I hit the jackpot because they still had all records going back including the original CA title, transfers etc. I know most states have destroyed their records but I got lucky. It's likely worth $20 to check. Don't know if other states like nevada have old records

I have also had good luck searching county records for information since you have a name and address. I found the son of an original owner that died in the 70's. I ended up with pictures, etc

Good luck

Bob