67 California delivered JC code

[Charles A.]

I have a 67 delivered in California with a JC Engine code. It was sold by a California dealer to a california address. I have the protect-o-plate that confirms JC. I know the K-19 option cars are JA. I do not know if it was titled in California but has anyone heard of this before?

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 California delevered JC code

I have a 67 delivered in California with a JC Engine code. It was sold by a California dealer to a california address. I have the protect-o-plate that confirms JC. I know the K-19 option cars are JA. I do not know if it was titled in California but has anyone heard of this before?

Charles-----


The only way I can imagine it could have happened is if a California dealer did a dealer trade to get the car from a dealer out of California. The trade could have been initiated by either the California dealer or the out-of-state dealer. This sort of trade would also have resulted in an out-of-California dealer selling a K-19 equipped car in that state. In those years, the application of smog regs in California was nowhere near like it became later with respect to out-of-state cars. So, I could see this kind of thing happening without too much trouble.

I strongly doubt, though, that GM would have delivered a non-K-19-equipped Corvette to California.

[Charles A.]

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Since I have the protect-o-plate I assume NCRS Judges would recognize this could have happened?

[Terry M.]

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An NCRS judge will have no way of knowing where the car was delivered -- unless you tell him. NCRS does not judge PoP or window stickers.

Edit add: My mistake -- As has been pointed out to me in email -- the interior team DOES judge the PoP as part of the glove box contents. That team will check that it is the correct PoP for the car, but would they check the engine suffix code against the state of delivery? I suppose an observant judge might notice that. The original PoP would, however, verify the JC code, and lead to some interesting discussions. That should be fun.

I'm too used to judging the mechanical section and we almost never see the PoP unless the owner brings it to us.

[Charles A.]

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Thats one of the reasons I am going to so much trouble to get it right since I know the POP is legitimate. I want to listen to the discussion.

[Joe L.]

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An NCRS judge will have no way of knowing where the car was delivered -- unless you tell him. NCRS does not judge PoP or window stickers.

Edit add: My mistake -- As has been pointed out to me in email -- the interior team DOES judge the PoP as part of the glove box contents. That team will check that it is the correct PoP for the car, but would they check the engine suffix code against the state of delivery? I suppose an observant judge might notice that. The original PoP would, however, verify the JC code, and lead to some interesting discussions. That should be fun.

I'm too used to judging the mechanical section and we almost never see the PoP unless the owner brings it to us.

Terry-----


Even if they did notice the non K-19 engine code for an originally California-delivered car, I don't see how they could make any judgment of non-originality or other transgression of judging standards based on that observation. As I mentioned, the car could have been dealer-traded from an out-of-California dealership. Dealer trades were very common in those days as they remain today. Of course, in TODAY'S world, a dealer would not be able to trade for a car which did not comply with California emissions certification. But, that's not how it was then.

[Terry M.]

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I understand that Joe, and in the face of the original PoP I would think there would be no issue -- but what I think doesn't much matter. The chances of my judging mechanical on that car are slim to none, and Charles is looking for opinions from those more directly involved than I.
I would still like to eavesdrop on the discussions among the judges about the lack of AIR. That would be most enlightening.

[Joe L.]

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I understand that Joe, and in the face of the original PoP I would think there would be no issue -- but what I think doesn't much matter. The chances of my judging mechanical on that car are slim to none, and Charles is looking for opinions from those more directly involved than I.
I would still like to eavesdrop on the discussions among the judges about the lack of AIR. That would be most enlightening.

Terry-----


I can see where lack of AIR would be a big issue IF the car had an engine code indicating it should have had AIR. However, in this case, it doesn't. The engine is configured, at least with respect to AIR, just as it should be.

In fact, unless a judge wanted to question the authenticity of the P-O-P, it would be absurd to question the originality of the car. The fact is, the P-O-P authenticates the car is a "JC" engine coded car and that it was originally delivered in California.

In any case, there's nothing that can be done at this point to change anything. The most that has to be done is not present the P-O-P at the time the car is judged. Most cars don't have them, anyway.

[Douglas L.]

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The tank sticker will tell where the car was delivered.

[Joe L.]

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The tank sticker will tell where the car was delivered.

Douglas-----


Yes, assuming it's still there and readable, the zone and dealer to which it was originally delivered will be coded on the form. That information would be very interesting in a case like this.

[Steven C.]

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Charles, are you sure the POP is original? If so, are you sure about the CA dealer and address? That may help explain it.

Also, my understanding on the 400HP cars is that the correct CA (assume 4 speed) AIR cars were JF codes?

[Mike M.]

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Sorry, I don't understand the question/issue, I guess I'm not awake yet.
The initial comment is not clear, if the car in question actually has the K-19 or not. Only that "California K-19 cars were coded JA" (Actually JF)
The car will be judged as presented.
If the pad is appropriate and shows the stamp as being JC and the car is without K-19, there is no issue.
If the K-19 is present with the JC code, I would take the "Lesser Hit" alternative, likely take minor deductions for the Non-Typical bracketting, pulleys, belts, fittings and so on that would be superfluous to a JC engine, rather than get into the more punitive Stamp Pad issues.
After all, we are supposed to be helping the Cars/Owners get the all the points the car deserves.
HaND
Comments?

[Joel F.]

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Mike,

I read the question as "how can I have a car that was sold new in CA, but does not have A.I.R.?" I think the owner is less concerned about judging than about the above question.

Joel

[Mike M.]

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Thanks, Joel, I said I wasn't awake yet.
I did not see that as a question/issue, only a statement that the car was SOLD in Cailifornia by a California Dealer. No mention of from whence the car was ORDERED.
Plus, I thought Joe was accurate in assessing the situation as a Dealer Trade with the ORDERING Dealer from outside of Cailfornia. (This occurred often and still does).
I hope everyone is clear on this, I'm still a little fuzzy.
HaND

[Mike M.]

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Another thought, Noon and I'm somewhat awake.
This transaction could have been by design.
If a person was ordering a car for maximum performance ie: Racing, why would you want all that horsepower robbing "STUFF" on your engine?
Just ask your dealer to trade for, or locate, a 49 state car.
HaND