Getting My Car Judged

[Kirk M.]

I have 67 vert 327/300 hp with AC, PS and PB. This car is a driver, however I have diligently worked to replace non-original parts since purchasing the car and plan to undergo judging by my local NCRS chapter this summer (HoO). Since my car is a driver, I have a very nice stereo system in the glovebox with an input line for my Ipod and two nice box speakers in the back. When I have the car judged I can easily remove the speakers in the back and tuck the wires under the carpet, I can roll up the Ipod cable and tuck it up in the dash, and I can easily removed the stereo unit from the glovebox (two screws and a couple plugs). However, there will be a nice rectangular hole in the back glovebox wall.

Here's the question. How many points will the hole, vs the stereo unit cost me? For judging should I ditch the unit and install a new glovebox liner? Certainly, doable but not as easy as just unplugging the stereo. Anyway, just wondering whether it is worth doing any of this from the point deduction point of view. Let me know. Thanks.

[Kevin M.]

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Now you did it, everybody will know now.

It could most likely go unnoticed if it's far in the back, don't remember judges being that through. Since it's a driver, I found I was given lot's of leeway in cleanliness and condition of original parts the deducts were very light. Your driving points alone will cover that hole in the liner you should be able to TF no problem.

Kevin

[Brian M.]

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Or leave the radio in the glove box and have it judged, then you will know for the next time out if the point deduct is worth the time or money to correct it.

[William L.]

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Kirk
I agree with Brian leave it in for the first time and see what the deduct is!
Bill

[Richard M.]

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Here's my experience with my 59 at the Regionals. I removed my under-steering-column stereo, speakers, etc and had no issues. However, because aftermarket alarms are allowed, I left that in, including the motion sensor in the engine bay.

I may guess a Chapter event may be a little lighter than a Regional, but, I got a deduct for the little red wire coming off the fuse terminal to power the alarm! I was a bit frustrated about that.

[Eric J.]

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If alarms are allowed how come the deduct? That's like putting seatbelts in a 54 (saftey equipment allowed) but losing points because there are holes in the floor where the belts mount....

[William L.]

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I think what a guy has to decide is weather the point deduct is big enough to make you go through the cost and effort to fix or change the problem?

[Kirk M.]

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Now you did it, everybody will know now.

It could most likely go unnoticed if it's far in the back, don't remember judges being that through. Since it's a driver, I found I was given lot's of leeway in cleanliness and condition of original parts the deducts were very light. Your driving points alone will cover that hole in the liner you should be able to TF no problem.

Kevin

I meant to say, I know a "guy" who wants to have his car judged and he has a stereo in it and was wondering what the deduct would be. Of course it's not me, that was just a typo!

[Michael W.]

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Here's the question. How many points will the hole, vs the stereo unit cost me? For judging should I ditch the unit and install a new glovebox liner? Certainly, doable but not as easy as just unplugging the stereo. Anyway, just wondering whether it is worth doing any of this from the point deduction point of view. Let me know. Thanks.

You can download the judging sheets and pretty much determine yourself what you believe the deduct would be. A quick look reveals that the glove box interior is worth 4 points for originality and the same for condition.

On the other hand, you are proposing temporarily installing a different glove box interior just for judging, then presumably reinstalling the modified version.

Would that not defeat the whole purpose of having the car judged and the legitimacy of the award it receives?

[Jack H.]

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It's not a bad idea to have read a copy of the NCRS Judging Reference Manual to understand the rules & know your rights as an owner. In my opinion, the judges made an error taking a deduction for your alarm that you could/should have appealed (it's too late now).

From the JRM, Section 2, Rule 25:

Safety, Security, Other Allowance & Scoring Bonus

The following are allowed with no scoring deduction:

A. Standard seat belt installation on 1953 through 1957 models.

B. State of Federally required safety equipment, State required current inspection and/or regristation sticker.

C. Very inconspicuous functional non-factory alarm system.

[John H.]

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The presence of the stereo in the glove box isn't the issue; the judging issue is what was done to the car in order to install it. Whether you leave it in place or remove it, you'd most likely get a minor originality deduction for the hole (completeness - part of the glove box liner is missing) and a minor deduction for condition (for the hole).

[William L.]

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Kirk
I looked at my judging sheets and glove compartment interior is assigned 4 points for orig. and 4 points for cond. so it would depend on the judge to determine how many points to take off. If I was judging your glove compartment and you did a clean job of installing your radio and the inside looked right, except for the radio, I would only take 2 or 3 points off. Buts thats me. You also have to be concerned about judges finding wires for the additional radio and speakers.
Bill

[Kirk M.]

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So from a practical point of view, do most the field judges think I should just leave the system in and take the points? By removing it, I wasn't trying to hide the fact that it was there, but it also seemed silly if I could spend 10-20 mins to make some minor adjustments and save a few points. Knowing me, I'd probably drive up to the judging session with the stereo blaring anyway and then just pop the system out for judging if it would save me a couple points. If not, no worries! Thanks.

[John H.]

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The deduction would be for the hole, not for the added stereo; the only way to eliminate the deduction is to eliminate the hole (by replacing the liner).

[Jack H.]

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Well, I'd agree with you, John, but to a point...

The judging standard is as the car was originally built by Chevrolet repleat with then current dealer prep, absent any owner/dealer inspired additions or deletions. The aftermarket stereo mounted inside the glove box (if present when judged) constitutes an owner inspired addition...

Plus, when we judge, it IS a form of concours inspection (factory concours). Extraneous 'stuff' like cell phones, combs, extra nuts, bolts, washers the owner has left in places like the ash tray, glove box, Etc. constitute a deviation from the standard.

There is no specific guidance in the Judging Reference Manual on how to deal with these 'extra' items and I've seen some judges deduct on individual line items (Configuration) and others place the deduction(s) in the score sheet's general cleanliness box....