corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette Brz

[Kenneth B.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

As others have said it's very hard to get the paint right for the reasons stated here. I got as cloes as I could matching to the door jams. 70 MAROON & BRONZE are very hard to match & I have both. GOOD LUCK

KEN 7808

[Kenneth B.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

As others have said it's very hard to get the paint right for the reasons stated here. I got as cloes as I could matching to the door jams. 70 MAROON & BRONZE are very hard to match & I have both. GOOD LUCK

KEN 7808

[Chuck S.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

Of course there's a difference...different codes wouldn't be used if the color was the same. Is the difference obvious to the naked eye?...I can't say, exceeds my experience.

When the color is the same, the same color/paint code may be used for years, even WITH DIFFERENT NAMES; but not the other way around. Example: CanAm White (GM 972, 1969) and Classic White (GM 10, 1970) have different names and GM codes, but are they the exact SAME COLOR? YES! Even though the names are different, both have the same paint manufacturer's code (PPG 8631).

If the codes are different, the colors are different...count on it. That code is what tells the paint technician what to mix into the can. Having the same color under two different codes would be needlessly redundant and confusing.

[Chuck S.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

Of course there's a difference...different codes wouldn't be used if the color was the same. Is the difference obvious to the naked eye?...I can't say, exceeds my experience.

When the color is the same, the same color/paint code may be used for years, even WITH DIFFERENT NAMES; but not the other way around. Example: CanAm White (GM 972, 1969) and Classic White (GM 10, 1970) have different names and GM codes, but are they the exact SAME COLOR? YES! Even though the names are different, both have the same paint manufacturer's code (PPG 8631).

If the codes are different, the colors are different...count on it. That code is what tells the paint technician what to mix into the can. Having the same color under two different codes would be needlessly redundant and confusing.

[Donald O.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

"INDEX NO. 5" from Ditzler dated "April, 1970" that recites that PAINT CODE
62, CORVETTE BRONZE POLY, DITZLER CODE 2264 has been ADDED, while also stating that PAINT CODE 62, CARAMEL BRONZE POLY, DITZLER CODE 2182 has been DROPPED. Would someone post it to the Board so that it's clear that the previous replies did not get to the poster's question.
Even though no one asked, you might make a note that the SAME bulletin also included ADDING Paint Code 77 Marlboro Maroon Poly Ditzler 2262 and DROPPING Paint Code 77 Marlboro Maroon Poly Ditzler 71584.

Does that help?

[Donald O.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

"INDEX NO. 5" from Ditzler dated "April, 1970" that recites that PAINT CODE
62, CORVETTE BRONZE POLY, DITZLER CODE 2264 has been ADDED, while also stating that PAINT CODE 62, CARAMEL BRONZE POLY, DITZLER CODE 2182 has been DROPPED. Would someone post it to the Board so that it's clear that the previous replies did not get to the poster's question.
Even though no one asked, you might make a note that the SAME bulletin also included ADDING Paint Code 77 Marlboro Maroon Poly Ditzler 2262 and DROPPING Paint Code 77 Marlboro Maroon Poly Ditzler 71584.

Does that help?

[Chuck S.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

No, I don't think it does help.

That appears to be an internal Ditzler memo changing the formula codes on 1970 colors. Although I am unfamiliar with Caramel Bronze Poly being a Chevrolet color, that could be what GM calls Corvette Bronze. In any event, my conclusion is it has nothing to with 1968 colors. Marlboro Maroon was not a 68 color, and therefore that change makes no sense in the context of 1968 colors. What he wants to know: Is 1968 Corvette Bronze the same color as 1970 Corvette Bronze, and the answer is...not exactly.

Using the old Ditzler/PPG codes, which I assume by this time are final revised versions, 1968 Corvette Bronze Poly is Ditzler/PPG code 22969; 1970 Corvette Bronze Poly is Ditzler/PPG code 2264. Perhaps when those two codes are mixed and test panels compared side by side, it may be impossible to tell the difference with the naked eye, but I highly doubt that. I wouldn't take that risk simply because I "know" a code for 1968 Corvette Bronze.

If he doesn't have the paint mixed already, this seems like an awful lot of discussion when all that's necessary to specify the correct 1970 paint code in whichever brand he choses. If he's managed to find some rare lacquer already mixed as 1968 Corvette Bronze Poly, maybe it'll fly...the judges will let him know if it's close enough to be the same. I personally wouldn't chance it; it'll be hard enough to please them anyway.

[Chuck S.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

No, I don't think it does help.

That appears to be an internal Ditzler memo changing the formula codes on 1970 colors. Although I am unfamiliar with Caramel Bronze Poly being a Chevrolet color, that could be what GM calls Corvette Bronze. In any event, my conclusion is it has nothing to with 1968 colors. Marlboro Maroon was not a 68 color, and therefore that change makes no sense in the context of 1968 colors. What he wants to know: Is 1968 Corvette Bronze the same color as 1970 Corvette Bronze, and the answer is...not exactly.

Using the old Ditzler/PPG codes, which I assume by this time are final revised versions, 1968 Corvette Bronze Poly is Ditzler/PPG code 22969; 1970 Corvette Bronze Poly is Ditzler/PPG code 2264. Perhaps when those two codes are mixed and test panels compared side by side, it may be impossible to tell the difference with the naked eye, but I highly doubt that. I wouldn't take that risk simply because I "know" a code for 1968 Corvette Bronze.

If he doesn't have the paint mixed already, this seems like an awful lot of discussion when all that's necessary to specify the correct 1970 paint code in whichever brand he choses. If he's managed to find some rare lacquer already mixed as 1968 Corvette Bronze Poly, maybe it'll fly...the judges will let him know if it's close enough to be the same. I personally wouldn't chance it; it'll be hard enough to please them anyway.

[Dick W.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

I just looked at the microfiches for the two colors. Mixing formulas are different. There is enough difference that it would be obvious. Things like this are the only use for the fiches today as most of the mixing colors are no longer available.

[Dick W.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

I just looked at the microfiches for the two colors. Mixing formulas are different. There is enough difference that it would be obvious. Things like this are the only use for the fiches today as most of the mixing colors are no longer available.

[Chuck S.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

Exactly, Dickie...And, in my opinion, you can figure that the color difference would still be obvious even in modern offset formulas. To believe that 68/70 Corvette Bronzes mixed today are going to be close is to believe that order comes out of random chaos...You might as start with the best possible chance at a match, and let the deviation begin from there.

When I bought PPG paint for my 70 coupe recently, I gave the PPG store manager my four digit PPG code for Classic White (8631). The guy took a moment to look it up on his computer, and came back with "Not a problem". Of course, that is about the only advantage of a white Corvette...matching the paint in modern materials probably won't be a big deal.

[Chuck S.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

Exactly, Dickie...And, in my opinion, you can figure that the color difference would still be obvious even in modern offset formulas. To believe that 68/70 Corvette Bronzes mixed today are going to be close is to believe that order comes out of random chaos...You might as start with the best possible chance at a match, and let the deviation begin from there.

When I bought PPG paint for my 70 coupe recently, I gave the PPG store manager my four digit PPG code for Classic White (8631). The guy took a moment to look it up on his computer, and came back with "Not a problem". Of course, that is about the only advantage of a white Corvette...matching the paint in modern materials probably won't be a big deal.

[Dick W.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

Have you ever looked at how many formulas there are for white. One vehicle manufacturer has 7 different mixing formulas for white, and that is all for the same product line and same year model.

I have seen the offset color for the '70 bronze and it is about as close as red is to pink

Best procedure it to find an original surface such as an area that has been covered by another component and have your paint jobber scan it. It may not be a perfect match, but it will get it close enough that a skilled painter can tint it.

[Dick W.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

Have you ever looked at how many formulas there are for white. One vehicle manufacturer has 7 different mixing formulas for white, and that is all for the same product line and same year model.

I have seen the offset color for the '70 bronze and it is about as close as red is to pink

Best procedure it to find an original surface such as an area that has been covered by another component and have your paint jobber scan it. It may not be a perfect match, but it will get it close enough that a skilled painter can tint it.

[Chuck S.]

Re: corect 1970 dupont paint code needed. Corvette

"Have you ever looked at how many formulas there are for white. One vehicle manufacturer has 7 different mixing formulas for white, and that is all for the same product line and same year model."

Ah...Yer just tryin' to worry me aren't ya? Yeah, I knew that problem existed on late model cars...Corvette Magnetic Red had fourteen variants over the years. If our Corvettes had that many different mixing formulas, you could be sure our judges would never reach consensus on which formula's appearance was the right one. You could get big deducts at every meet regardless of which formula you used.

"Best procedure it to find an original surface such as an area that has been covered by another component and have your paint jobber scan it. It may not be a perfect match, but it will get it close enough that a skilled painter can tint it."

If the offset formulas are THAT different, I'm inclined to agree...I've had good luck with those spectroscopic matches. The only problem may be finding a sheltered area that hasn't been weathered or repainted on a car nearly forty years old.