Concours naming survey

[Thomas H.]

Being a proponent of the Modified name as the new name for this program, I was surprised not to see it as an option on the survey. After all, these cars were modified after they left the assembly line. I had to choose {Other) when I filled out the survey, which did not make sense to me. I believe if Modified had been a choice in the survey, the results would be different.

I agree 100%

[Larry E.]

These newer members just refuse to believe that all cars in the
Concours class are not all modified.JMHO Thanks-Larry

[Tony S.]

Being a proponent of the Modified name as the new name for this program, I was surprised not to see it as an option on the survey. After all, these cars were modified after they left the assembly line. I had to choose {Other) when I filled out the survey, which did not make sense to me. I believe if Modified had been a choice in the survey, the results would be different. At the Intermountain Chapter judging meets from 2022-2024, we judged these cars in both divisions. Our members seem to like this style of judging better than flight judging.

Mike, why would we rename the entire Concours program the "Modified" program if one of the categories includes unmodified cars? That wouldn't make sense. The name "modified" was the membership's clear choice for naming that category of modified/customized/personalized cars.

[Michael J.]

Mike, why would we rename the entire Concours program the "Modified" program if one of the categories includes unmodified cars? That wouldn't make sense. The name "modified" was the membership's clear choice for naming that category of modified/customized/personalized cars.

I don't think that is true, something is modified about it even the so-called "stock" Concours ones. We judged a '55 with a '57 FI engine in it, and other modifications (though not to the body) on it in "stock" Concurs at the last SoCal chapter meet. It certainly was not stock in most anyone's definition.

[Tony S.]

I don't think that is true, something is modified about it even the so-called "stock" Concours ones. We judged a '55 with a '57 FI engine in it, and other modifications (though not to the body) on it in "stock" Concurs at the last SoCal chapter meet. It certainly was not stock in most anyone's definition.

Michael, read my original post about what the new, reimagined program will include. The new program will provide a place for even new or newer, BONE STOCK Corvettes. Don't look at how the program has run. Sure, we will include modified Corvettes, but we won't exclude new and newer Corvettes that are ineligible for Flight.

[Michael J.]

OK, since I don't know anything about the new "imagined" category I was only speaking to the current Concours category, where all are modified to some extent. But called "stock" for one category in the current system, which they are not, IMO.

[Larry E.]

OK, since I don't know anything about the new "imagined" category I was only speaking to the current Concours category, where all are modified to some extent. But called "stock" for one category in the current system, which they are not, IMO.

False; Some are more bone stock then some of the so Called TOP Flight cars that have
changes made only known to the owner that are well hidden from the Judges. JMHO-Larry

[Michael J.]

False; Some are more bone stock then some of the so Called TOP Flight cars that have
changes made only known to the owner that are well hidden from the Judges. JMHO-Larry

Well, it is impossible to look inside engines and transmissions and differentials to know what has been modified.

[Michael J.]

Michael, read my original post about what the new, reimagined program will include. The new program will provide a place for even new or newer, BONE STOCK Corvettes. Don't look at how the program has run. Sure, we will include modified Corvettes, but we won't exclude new and newer Corvettes that are ineligible for Flight.

In rereading this, I am wondering now what kind of judging of newer Corvettes you are contemplating. I am not entirely comfortable with judging C5s and C6s that seem, by and large, to be low mile original cars and thus pretty easy to give awards to, as the owners usually change very little to nothing and they are not old or used enough to need any restoration anyway. I was always surprised to see Bloomington judging C7s, as I was told they did this last meet in Illinois. So you actually are thinking of judging C7s and C8s in some manner to give out awards beyond Sportsman (as they are now), at some higher cost of entry I assume?

[Arland D.]

Gentlemen,

Let’s give Joe Scaffidi and his ‘wing man’ some credit and the benefit of the doubt to come up with a program name and sub category names that meet the given requirements to expand the NCRS judging arena and attract more participants. No need to get into the weeds debating the minutia of the new program until it is presented to the membership.

[Larry E.]

Gentlemen,

Let’s give Joe Scaffidi and his ‘wing man’ some credit and the benefit of the doubt to come up with a program name and sub category names that meet the given requirements to expand the NCRS judging arena and attract more participants. No need to get into the weeds debating the minutia of the new program until it is presented to the membership.

Arland: Excellant point. Let's give Joe a chance. We voted by a wide margin to keep the
name of Concours. I think it will work out at the end. Thanks:Larry

[Thomas H.]

These newer members..................

Keep in mind, "these newer members" are the key to keeping the NCRS alive and their opinions, right, wrong or otherwise, should not be discounted.

I think Joe and Tony are doing an great job surveying the membership, gathering the input and distilling it into an updated class / program. I know how hard it is to get people to participate / contribute and I appreciate their efforts.

[Patrick H.]

I was always surprised to see Bloomington judging C7s, as I was told they did this last meet in Illinois.

They will judge any age of Corvette at Bloomington Gold. It wasn't too long ago they judged a C8 that was a month old.

[Leif A.]

Arland: Excellant point. Let's give Joe a chance. We voted by a wide margin to keep the
name of Concours. I think it will work out at the end. Thanks:Larry

If the NCRS is still thinking of keeping the name "Concours" for a modified class of Corvettes, they will continue to confuse/disillusion prospective members.

[Terry M.]

They will judge any age of Corvette at Bloomington Gold. It wasn't too long ago they judged a C8 that was a month old.

In 2023 they judged a certain 2023 Z06 that was delivered at the Corvette Museum the day before it was judged. It gave new meaning to Typical Factory Production. That is how judges learn TFP.