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  • Donald H.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • November 2, 2009
    • 2580

    #16
    Originally posted by Gary Beaupre (28818)
    Don,

    The attached photo is the 40083 rebuild kit that is out of stock at Ecklers. Does the Ecklers kit show the shaft and cups that are lacking from the kit you describe? If so, can you tell us which items they are in the photo?

    Gary

    PS Yes, I know those rebuild kits are discontinued or out of stock at all the catalog companies, except maybe Zip.
    Gary,

    Sorry for this long post, but hopefully it will be helpful to anyone doing a 40083 pump rebuild.

    A note about rebuild kits. The 40083 rebuild kit is different than the 4656, 4657 and probably other bolt together pumps. The base of the 40083 has two ears where the base screws to the bottom pump housing, thus the bottom gasket also has these two ears.

    The first picture is what I was referring to. Not sure what it is really called, but the shaft with the rubber diaphragm and 'cups' on each side. The cups and shaft are swaged onto the shaft. With the kit I purchased you need to carefully grind away enough of the swaged material to remove the bottom cup retainer to replace the diaphragm and then reassemble the cup and swage the end of the shaft.

    The picture from Ecklers does not look correct to me. For the 40083, the bottom gasket has two ears for the two screws on the bottom. Second picture is of the bottom of the 40083 fuel pump that I rebuilt 10 or so years ago when I was restoring my old 66 L79. This is the original tiger striped lower gasket. When I did that pump, I used a kit that I probably got from Paragon or Corvette Central at the time. As I recall that kit did include a new shaft/diaphragm assembly which I used.

    Something else to be aware. The 66 I am currently working on had an aftermarket Carter or Airtex carburetor. We were able to find a 40083 than another friend was willing to sell. He had owned it for at least 10 years and had purchased it as a professionally restored pump.

    We installed the 40083 pump and tried to start the car. As soon as we cranked the car, fuel started to pour out of the vent hole in the front float bowl. I then took the pump off and disassembled it. Fortunately, I still had the original 40083 shaft/diaphragm from when I rebuilt the 40083 for my 66. I compared that assembly to the one in the current 40083. I found that the shaft from the pump I was working on was about 3/16" longer than the old shaft/diaphragm assembly. So, I installed the old one and the pump works fine.

    I assume the longer shaft must produce more fuel pressure and it was great enough to blow fuel by the needle and seat. My caution is if you do rebuild a 40083 and the kit include a pumping shaft/diaphragm assembly, make sure to measure and compare the length to the original from the pump.

    Don
    Attached Files
    Don Harris
    Current: 67 convertible Marina Blue L79
    Former: 60 Red/Red, 2x4, 245hp (Regional and National Top Flight 2013), 66 coupe Nassau Blue, L79 (Chapter and Regional Top Flight 2017)

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    • Gary B.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • February 1, 1997
      • 7020

      #17
      Don,

      Thanks for the great explanation. I agree that the rebuild kit with the no-eared gasket seem not to be correct for the 40083 pump.

      The grinding and reswaging process you describe is not something that most end-users will want to do or be able to do.

      Gary

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      • James W.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • December 1, 1990
        • 2655

        #18
        I had Hal and Classic Preservation Coalition restore my AC 4657 fuel pump several years ago and it is still performing perfectly.

        I had heard he was having some health issues a few years back and wasn't taking on any work. Anyone know if he is back in the restoration/rebuild business? That is what started this thread since I thought he wasn't in business any longer.

        James


        Originally posted by Donald Harris (51003)
        I just did a rebuild on a 40083 about four months ago, so these kits should still be available. I got the kit from The Classic Preservation Coalition (link below).
        He says his kits are make in the US and are ethanol safe. His kit does not include a pulsator shaft and 'cups'. You have to disassemble your existing one to install the new pulsator. So, it's not the easiest kit to use.

        I have a home zinc plating kit with gold/yellow chromating kit. You need a good fresh zinc finish to get the chromating process to really work.

        Attached some pictures. The first one is the base and screws I started with. The other two pictures are what I finished with.

        The Classic Preservation Coalition

        Don

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        • James W.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • December 1, 1990
          • 2655

          #19
          Originally posted by Donald Harris (51003)
          I just did a rebuild on a 40083 about four months ago, so these kits should still be available. I got the kit from The Classic Preservation Coalition (link below).
          He says his kits are make in the US and are ethanol safe. His kit does not include a pulsator shaft and 'cups'. You have to disassemble your existing one to install the new pulsator. So, it's not the easiest kit to use.

          I have a home zinc plating kit with gold/yellow chromating kit. You need a good fresh zinc finish to get the chromating process to really work.

          Attached some pictures. The first one is the base and screws I started with. The other two pictures are what I finished with.

          The Classic Preservation Coalition

          Don

          Don,

          Did you actually speak with Hal or just buy the rebuild kit from his website?

          Thanks,

          James

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          • Donald H.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • November 2, 2009
            • 2580

            #20
            I didn’t talk to him, but exchanged a number of emails with him.
            Don Harris
            Current: 67 convertible Marina Blue L79
            Former: 60 Red/Red, 2x4, 245hp (Regional and National Top Flight 2013), 66 coupe Nassau Blue, L79 (Chapter and Regional Top Flight 2017)

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            • Scott V.
              Frequent User
              • December 1, 1989
              • 42

              #21
              Can someone please provide Fred's contact information. I have a question concerning a crimped pump.

              Thanks,

              Scott

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              • Patrick H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 1, 1989
                • 11643

                #22
                Check your PM inbox.
                Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                71 "deer modified" coupe
                72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                2008 coupe
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                • Gary B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • February 1, 1997
                  • 7020

                  #23
                  Fred can be reached at: fredsclassics@hotmail.com

                  I believe Fred doesn’t readily give out his phone number.

                  Gary

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                  • Michael M.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • February 1, 1993
                    • 604

                    #24
                    Maybe if you had another fuel pump your rebuild would be a lot easier.
                    Attached Files

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                    • Mike M.
                      NCRS Past President
                      • May 31, 1974
                      • 8383

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Gary Beaupre (28818)
                      Jack,

                      To me, the biggest challenge is getting the finish of the magnesium body to look original. The other issue are addressable. Well, maybe the tiger stripe gasket is also a challenge not easily solved.

                      if you contact Steve Hack, can you ask him what he would do to restore the magnesium body, and report back to us?

                      Gary
                      gary: I recently bought a half dozen tiger strip gasket off eBay.new and reasonable. deleted the contact info but check eBay . I think under 56-65 corvette parts. good luck, mike

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                      • Scott V.
                        Frequent User
                        • December 1, 1989
                        • 42

                        #26
                        Thanks for the contact info!

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                        • Mike M.
                          NCRS Past President
                          • May 31, 1974
                          • 8383

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Mike McCagh (14)

                          gary: I recently bought a half dozen tiger strip gasket off eBay.new and reasonable. deleted the contact info but check eBay . I think under 56-65 corvette parts. good luck, mike
                          gary: u have a pm. mike

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                          • Gary B.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • February 1, 1997
                            • 7020

                            #28
                            Mike,

                            I didn’t get a PM. I’m having challenges with the new message system on the DB. Can you email me at gsb1966@comcast.net

                            Gary

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                            • John P.
                              Infrequent User
                              • August 24, 2013
                              • 20

                              #29
                              Does anyone have a source for the correct gasket material for the 40083? I am considering fabricating the bottom gasket.

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                              • Ed S.
                                Extremely Frequent Poster
                                • August 6, 2014
                                • 1377

                                #30
                                FYI - I understand that you want to send your fuel pump to a reputable shop for a rebuild. Your choice - but.... I can tell you that it is not all that difficult and I believe rebuild kits are available. Either way - it may be to your benefit to know what is all involved in the rebuild of a 40083 pump. See the attached - good stuff. For the record - I am not the author of this article - I just happen to have a copy "in my files".... Enjoy.
                                Attached Files
                                Ed

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