1969 Copper Radiator Caps - NCRS Discussion Boards

1969 Copper Radiator Caps

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Gary B.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • February 1, 1997
    • 7020

    #16
    Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

    Keith,

    Comment

    • Keith M.
      Very Frequent User
      • January 17, 2021
      • 669

      #17
      Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

      So I responded again and suggested they look again upon which they replied:

      New message from: inlinetube (41,787)
      I must have looked at a different title, That is not NOS, it is a reproduction.

      And here we are hours later and the listing has not been updated. I am not here to unduly bash the vendor and I understand others have had good experience. Draw your own conclusions but their wording does not need a decoder ring to understand what is really going on here. I am beyond tired of vendors "preying" on the passion of Vette enthusiasts...."oh I will pay any price for correct tiny screw". Not me. Their are many decent vendors and sellers out there. Figured I would just write this one up for posterity. Oh, and interestingly...same cap is about $8 more purchased directly from their website...where it makes no mention of NOS.
      Best,
      Keith
      ***************
      late Oct 1969 L46 350/350, M21 4spd, 3.70 posi convertible --As with life, restoration is a journey, not a destination. Though restored cars provide both journeys AND destinations!

      Comment

      • Terry M.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • September 30, 1980
        • 15599

        #18
        Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

        I do not wish to denigrate or defend anyone, but in fairness to all we are dealing with definitions here.
        What does NOS mean?
        I believe, just like "numbers matching", The term NOS means different things to different people. Without asking "What do these terms mean to you?" none of us know what is being discussed. Does NOS mean the item is like the "born with" part? Does numbers matching mean it is the "born with" parts. I believe asking different people will yield different answers.
        Terry

        Comment

        • Keith M.
          Very Frequent User
          • January 17, 2021
          • 669

          #19
          Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

          Case in point on preying on enthusiasts. Just today ebay post for a NOS rc15. The price? A mere $495 dollars!!
          ***************
          late Oct 1969 L46 350/350, M21 4spd, 3.70 posi convertible --As with life, restoration is a journey, not a destination. Though restored cars provide both journeys AND destinations!

          Comment

          • Keith M.
            Very Frequent User
            • January 17, 2021
            • 669

            #20
            Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

            Originally posted by Terry McManmon (3966)
            I do not wish to denigrate or defend anyone, but in fairness to all we are dealing with definitions here.
            What does NOS mean?
            I believe, just like "numbers matching", The term NOS means different things to different people. Without asking "What do these terms mean to you?" none of us know what is being discussed. Does NOS mean the item is like the "born with" part? Does numbers matching mean it is the "born with" parts. I believe asking different people will yield different answers.
            Ok...but you are portraying the exception as the rule. Unlike numbers matching there is a common widely understood meaning of "new old stock". That being parts manufactured by the original equipment company produced some time in the past and commonly proximate to when the vehicle was made. They are NEW because never been used. They are OLD because they were made some time in the past and placed in STOCK. Seems to me these tube guys fail on all counts and have deliberate intent to deceive.
            ***************
            late Oct 1969 L46 350/350, M21 4spd, 3.70 posi convertible --As with life, restoration is a journey, not a destination. Though restored cars provide both journeys AND destinations!

            Comment

            • James G.
              Very Frequent User
              • August 22, 2018
              • 800

              #21
              Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

              Much of what is now referred to as NOS, was referred to as NORS when I was younger. (New Old Replacement Stock- OEM produced -functionally although not visually equivalent)

              If you have a question, ask if the part is EXACTLY the same in appearance as the part installed when it was Assembled.

              Here is something I consider to be NORS: The 70-72 Exhaust extensions with the part numbers stamped in them and without perimeter weld. Functionally though not visually equivalent to the original part.

              Many times the only time a true assembly line equivalent part is available at the parts counter is during or just after the time the model is being produced.
              James A Groome
              1971 LT1 11130 - https://photos.app.goo.gl/zSoFz24JMPXw5Ffi9 - the black LT1
              1971 LT1 21783 - 3 STAR Preservation.- https://photos.app.goo.gl/wMRDJgmyDyAwc9Nh8 - Brandshatch Green LT1
              My first gen Camaro research http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.p...owposts;u=4337
              Posts on Yenko boards... https://www.yenko.net/forum/search.php?searchid=826453

              Comment

              • Terry M.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • September 30, 1980
                • 15599

                #22
                Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

                My thinking is that NOS is more like James G is saying. Sometimes the part that ws available over-the-counter and made by the original manufacturer was not visually the same as the assembly line part. Sometimes the assembly line part was never available over the counter. And sometimes the part that was available over the counter was modified either to fit more years or for less expensive production reasons than assembly line parts. But they are supposed to function as original parts but may or may not be visually identical as assembly line installed parts. Back when my 1970 was new my friend in the parts department told me the chrome that they got from the warehouse was the parts that failed QC at the assembly plant. We went through three bumpers before we got one we thought was acceptable. All were NOS., and likely rejected assembly line parts. Thy may have been parts made by the original supplier for service as well. My parts guy didn't think so and he was a wiz at that stuff I tended to trust and believe him.

                I always thought NORS were boxed or labeled in other than AC Delco badging. They may have been made by the original supplier or not. They may be visually the same as assembly line parts or not. They should function s original or not. You pay your money, and you take your chances.

                I know, however, others have other definitions, as you can see here. If your desires are TFP you have to know what you are looking for and look at the part. Caveat emptier is the rule. I have an expression I used and still use: "The only thing more expensive than a good education is no education." That doesn't only apply to Corvette restoration and parts purchasing, but also to life. My daughter took it to heart. You don't want to know what it cost for her PhD. LOL. All that is along the lines of "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."
                Terry

                Comment

                • Mark E.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 1, 1993
                  • 4540

                  #23
                  Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

                  Originally posted by Terry McManmon (3966)
                  Back when my 1970 was new my friend in the parts department told me the chrome that they got from the warehouse was the parts that failed QC at the assembly plant. We went through three bumpers before we got one we thought was acceptable. All were NOS., and likely rejected assembly line parts.
                  No wonder GM lost to the Japanese.
                  Mark Edmondson
                  Dallas, Texas
                  Texas Chapter

                  1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                  1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

                  Comment

                  • Keith M.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • January 17, 2021
                    • 669

                    #24
                    Re: 1969 Copper Radiator Caps

                    I see it as simple as this. If it is used it is not NEW. If it is new it is not OLD. And if it has not been in STOCK for a while....it is not NOS.

                    Most typically produced as parts that were intended for repair/replacement as opposed to original factory line use...but the latter could be NOS. And NOS could be either completely identical to aseembly line part....or slightly different but functionally usable. Could have same part number or service replacement different number.
                    ***************
                    late Oct 1969 L46 350/350, M21 4spd, 3.70 posi convertible --As with life, restoration is a journey, not a destination. Though restored cars provide both journeys AND destinations!

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    Searching...Please wait.
                    An unexpected error was returned: 'Your submission could not be processed because you have logged in since the previous page was loaded.

                    Please push the back button and reload the previous window.'
                    An unexpected error was returned: 'Your submission could not be processed because the token has expired.

                    Please push the back button and reload the previous window.'
                    An internal error has occurred and the module cannot be displayed.
                    There are no results that meet this criteria.
                    Search Result for "|||"