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  • David H.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • June 30, 2001
    • 1529

    #16
    Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

    Last Night:

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    This Evening:
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    • Owen L.
      Very Frequent User
      • September 30, 1991
      • 868

      #17
      Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

      Originally posted by Duke Williams (22045)
      From a practical standpoint, I believe anything you put on the Web is public domain. I(f) you want copyright, retain a legitimate publishing house.
      Duke
      Duke, while I understand your sentiments regarding your creative and intellectual work, I suspect you would have issues with a publication replacing your name as author with someone else's. You've granted the NCRS this freedom under this use agreement; it could also transfer the rights to what it "owns" to a third party where even the NCRS has no say. Secondly, copyright, in the US, is automatically granted at the moment of creation without any effort on the creator's part.

      Originally posted by David Houlihan (36425)
      This Evening:
      Forum: Technical Discussion


      In order to foster an atmosphere of mutual respect and professionalism, the NCRS requests all members adhere to the following Discussion Forum Standards.
      1. 1. Terms of Use
      2. 2. Etiquette:
      3. 3. No Advertising
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      Thank you to whomever amended the recent verbiage. It is much friendlier and less heavy-handed.

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      • John W.
        Administrator
        • November 1, 1974
        • 5087

        #18
        Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

        Way back when the TDB first started, the Restorer Magazine and some Chapter Newsletters used posting from the TDB in their publications. At that time everyone was informed that they should get permission from the person who posted and credit them as the source. I was Newsletter Editor of the Indiana Chapter at that time and from time to time did use posted information.

        It has been years since anything was provided to Newsletter Editors that they should follow this procedure, I will reaffirm to the Newsletter Editors that they should honor this policy.

        I would also suppose that some information from the TDB has been used in developing Judging Manuals but I am not sure of that. If it was used it would only a portion of a post and would fall under free use.
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        • David H.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • June 30, 2001
          • 1529

          #19
          Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

          Owen Lowe: .... Thank you to whomever amended the recent verbiage. It is much friendlier and less heavy-handed....

          Owen

          Verbiage is NOT amended. That text is hyperlinks. NOT friendlier and less heavy handed. Just hidden from view.

          Dave


          Administrators

          Hyperlink text in most all web browsers shows up as BLUE TEXT (before being visited - purple after visited).

          When entering links, default is also to blue text (see bottom example). By changing to black text, someone went out of their way to obfuscate that our Discussion Board Standards are in fact hyper links.


          Our members deserve better: Make it easy/obvious for them to learn what use terms they are accepting.

          Dave



          Forum: Technical Discussion

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          Forum: Technical Discussion

          In order to foster an atmosphere of mutual respect and professionalism, the NCRS requests all members adhere to the following Discussion Forum Standards.

          1. 1. Terms of Use
          2. 2. Etiquette:
          3. 3. No Advertising
          4. 4. Orphan Documents and Stamped Parts

          Last edited by David H.; May 9, 2023, 08:46 AM.
          Judging Chairman Mid-Way USA (Kansas) Chapter

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          • John W.
            Administrator
            • November 1, 1974
            • 5087

            #20
            Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

            Since this is written into the code of the forum it took a little creative tricks to get it to look like a standard link, but now it does. It still isn't a standard link so it doesn't change colors when you have visited it or when you mouse over it.
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            • David H.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • June 30, 2001
              • 1529

              #21
              Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

              Originally posted by John Waggoner (107)
              Since this is written into the code of the forum it took a little creative tricks to get it to look like a standard link, but now it does. It still isn't a standard link so it doesn't change colors when you have visited it or when you mouse over it.
              John

              Thank you.

              Dave
              Judging Chairman Mid-Way USA (Kansas) Chapter

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              • Ronald L.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • October 18, 2009
                • 3248

                #22
                Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

                I doubt the issue is inappropriate political or other commentaries.

                The issues are tied to free use, as has been stated above, they can take the creative or documentary works - one takes it changes it up...now its written by another or modified to fit the desired narrative.

                The Second part is the suggestion about sending it to third parties, what third party is that being done??

                This is where whom ever did this at NCRS just pulled a Fox News.

                NCRS forum has yet to be googleble, and that has been good to keep the data clean and within the membership.

                You already had one member say adios, you're going to see discussions drop off, and membership too, regardless if it was basically there back in 2008...

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                • David H.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • June 30, 2001
                  • 1529

                  #23
                  Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

                  Originally posted by Ronald Lovelace (50931)
                  ... you're going to see discussions drop off...
                  Ronald

                  At a recent Chapter meeting this new/existing practice was discussed. Some, published author types, indicated they were going to forgo Tech Board posts given potential copyright issues with their published and in-process works.

                  I expect TB will continue to answer "what about this/what about that/troubleshooting/etc" questions. However, we may see a reluctance to post in-depth articles or links to author's in-depth articles. (Should TB posts forgo links altogether?)

                  Question in my mind, do these same rules apply to Chapter newsletters? Many newsletters have excellent Technical Articles, worthy of consumer magazine publication.

                  Have these authors also lost their copyright if published in a Chapter newsletter?

                  If their articles are subsequently published (magazine/YouTube/etc) will NCRS pursue copyright infringement as NCRS now owns copyright?

                  Expect, until we get some clarifications, our newsletters may have fewer folks willing to publish comprehensive articles.

                  I know, in the past, we aways asked author's permission before using their article in our newsletter. Do we continue to ask author's permission, or Chapter newsletter editor/Chairman, a central clearing house for NCRS owned documents, all, or no longer necessary- as material belongs to NCRS already and our Chapter is just another NCRS publication?

                  Dave
                  Judging Chairman Mid-Way USA (Kansas) Chapter

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                  • Domenic T.
                    Expired
                    • January 29, 2010
                    • 2452

                    #24
                    Re: New (?) Forum Board Legalese

                    Well,
                    I don't know if this applies but years ago I taught a few new ways to do repairs that were far less time consuming. One day I was asked as a consultant to look at a repair and ONE PERSON STARTED TEACHING ME WHAT i TOUGHT!! ANOTHER APPEARED IN POPULAR MECHANICS UNDER ANOTHER PERSONS ARTICAL AND THEIR ARTICAL USED MY PRINTING WORD FOR WORD AND TOOK THE CREDIT!
                    I ALSO FOUND THINGS THAT I TAUGHT CAPOTOLIZED BY A COMPANY THAT PRODUCED AND SOLD MY PRODUCT, AGAIN USING MY WORDING!
                    Not much you can do when one steals your artical,teachings, and inventions for their monetary gain .
                    I just took the lumps as the legal system is not cost effective it those situations.
                    Only thing to hold on to was that it did offer help to someone working in that area, but selling my work still bites when I see others take credit for it.

                    Dom

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