Cut open a lead acid battery? Possible inert a gel or agm inside?

[Gary B.]

[Steve B.]

Re: Cut open a lead acid battery? Possible inert a gel or agm inside?

Anyone use a lithium battery? They are more expensive but much lighter and will last much longer. Any negatives other than price?

[Dave S.]

[Michael H.]

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Dave take a look at the " Lighting Start WPX30L-NG " as it's only 5.1" wide but it's 6.9" H it maybe to high. This battery has 600CCA. Let me know if this works out.

Mike

[Dave S.]

Re: Cut open a lead acid battery? Possible inert a gel or agm inside?

Dave take a look at the " Lighting Start WPX30L-NG " as it's only 5.1" wide but it's 6.9" H it maybe to high. This battery has 600CCA. Let me know if this works out.

Mike

[Philip A.]

Re: Cut open a lead acid battery? Possible inert a gel or agm inside?

Anyone use a lithium battery? They are more expensive but much lighter and will last much longer. Any negatives other than price?

Lithium ion batteries need a lithium ion specific charger, if you are going to keep it on a charger. The charge parameters are different.

[William G.]

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Ok. On putting new internals in an old DC-12 (I say "old" because it is actually a Restoration Battery from the company that used to be in Cincinnati) and whether 330 CCA is adequate and what to use next time, advice, please. Somewhere on the internet someone (not NCRS Forum) said that you cannot charge a lithium ion battery from an alternator without added circuitry in the system to make the two "talk" to each other (compatibility issue). I have a friend who is into motorcycles who uses lithium batteries on his rides with no problem.......that charging system would seem to be quite similar to an automotive alternator, no? Also, my Restoration Battery lasted in excess of 10 years and I'm assuming, inasmuch as I've yet to butcher it to expose the internals, that what I'll find is an AGM battery (Odyssey?) of about 330 CCA. I'm not adverse to putting a new Odyssey or something similar into this very nice looking AC Delco, DC-12, Group 24, case, with black screw in caps and the word "Delco" in yellow on top (wonder what AC Delco charged for the rights to do that?). The Odysseys' I've seen would be a tight fit and likely need tipped on their side (I've seen Tim Gilmore's photos which seem to indicate that be the case). That would be an Odyssey PC 925, anyone done that to a Restoration Battery? I really hate to throw that "original looking" case away and put something modern in my '66. Also, any advice on how to cut the case with butchering it any more than necessary? IF I knew where the terminal connections were on the "burned out", likely Odyssey, case I now have I'd be tempted to cut holes (circular) in the ends of the "Delco" case and then cut the bottom of the case to release the battery as it must be glued to the bottom for stability. Cut the bottom only big enough to get the assumed Odyssey out and leaving a flange to attach a new aluminum bottom. Cutting the ends of the case to disconnect the cables as opposed to cutting the top would seem to be less noticeable on a C2. I've also looked at the possibility of using an aircraft battery (there are options out there) but whatever I end up doing I'm hoping will be the best way to go inasmuch as most any battery is going to be roughly $250 to $400, perhaps more.

Thanks,
Bill

[Ron G.]

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Tim, I have two R89S batteries, one NOS that is still in the original Delco box, and the other which was an NOS years ago that I used when I was campaigning one of my cars that I had converted to electronics. Everything on the exterior remains the same and is undetectable in appearance.
Just a thought.

- Ron

[Ronald L.]

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Tim
Did this Odyssey PC925 work?

Does the 330cca spin a 327 or 427?

[Patrick H.]

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I have removed the gel battery from inside two different restoration batteries, and replaced them with the NOCO NLP20 (C1) and NLP30 (C3):

https://no.co/nlp20

Pictured below are the red-topped one I removed, and the NOCO I added. I did have to cut the bottom of both cases to remove the battery as the red-topped ones are molded in place using tar and plastic.

So far both have worked well for me.
The benefit in a C3 is that the lithium battery is so light that the whole case can be installed in the back of the car using 2 fingers.
Try that with a lead acid battery.

I did also buy NOCO chargers for each one, and use their Lithium setting.

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[Ronald L.]

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Patrick
No issues with alternator based charging?

[Ronald L.]

[Patrick H.]

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The 30 fit in the later case because, as you see in the photos, I was able to remove the top and get full measurements.

I put the 20 in a DC-12 to be absolutely sure it would fit.
The 30 may have, but I didn't want to chance it.

[Ronald L.]

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And since the 20 has enough to turn a 327, should not be that problematic to turn over a 427

Thanks Patrick

[Ronald L.]

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I decided to use the a-z speed return policy and price control to get both

huge difference in size for 100cca

30 is to tough wrestle in there

snapped a brass post off resuming intent to get the 30 in there

terminals end up on bottom when keeping cables shorter

tose posts are right at the bottom so a frp isolator essential to prevent grounding out

not done yet, had the post not snapped, I would have put the 20 in and called it a day

Now I’m looking for flat lugs on the weekend that will bypass the posts