Bowtie award, then what

[Paul K.]

Looking for advice of those who received 2,3,4, or 5 star bowtie award, did you you leave as is, or restore.
I recently purchased a 1970 Marlboro maroon coupe, Tank sticker, POP, from original owner,
all original LT1, M21,
Engine runs nice, shifts great.
Factory aged lacquer paint, lots of garage and road chips, all factory body seams in place, small fiberglass break at R/R corner below bumper.
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[Michael J.]

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Always an agonizing decision, after winning the Bowtie (4 stars), then go for the 5th and then what? I chose to donate mine to the NCM, as I knew if I kept it I would want to drive it a lot, and thus would need to fix things that were not working well (like A/C) and anything that might break or need attention after that, so then the originality of it would decline, and well...... However, if I have a chance to do it again (and I might), I would just fix what needed to be fixed, not worry about it, and drive the liver out of it. I miss the car.

[Brian D.]

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Paul,
Neat car! I'm especially partial to that color.
Is your 1970 already a Bowtie/Star car, or are you considering campaigning it toward that goal?
The reason I ask is: You can't restore it.
By definition, restoration negates the Bowtie criteria of the car.

NCRS Judging Reference Manual, Section 9, Paragraph 8: "Does the item, part, fabric, plating, or coating appear to actually be that which was specifically installed at the time of manufacture?"

Let's use alternators as an example. In Flight Judging, we check the CDCIF of the alternator that's present. If those qualities all match what we know to be "typical factory production", the item receives no deduction. It may be the actual alternator from the day that car rolled out the plant door... or, it may be the typical production type with the proper date code, finish, and installation method.

However, Bowtie Judging dictates that it be the actual alternator that was on that car when produced.
To quote Brian Pearce (1973-1982 Team Leader): "We want to see how GM built it, not how somebody else put it together."
Bowtie cars are a result of Preservation, not Restoration.
You cannot possibly restore a Bowtie car without negating the very qualities that earned the Bowtie Award in the first place.
Hope this helps!

[Jaime G.]

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Looking for advice of those who received 2,3,4, or 5 star bowtie award, did you you leave as is, or restore.
I recently purchased a 1970 Marlboro maroon coupe, Tank sticker, POP, from original owner,
all original LT1, M21,
Engine runs nice, shifts great.
Factory aged lacquer paint, lots of garage and road chips, all factory body seams in place, small fiberglass break at R/R corner below bumper.
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I own a 66 3 star,Duntov,Bloomington Benchmark, Bloomington Special Collection car. I put on american TTD's and radial tires and I drive it.
Its the best car I own because its all original and unrestored. Enjoy your car.

[Harry S.]

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Look at it this way, every part of the car has unique patina. Drive it as Jaime suggested.

[Terry M.]

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I own two 5-star Bow Tie cars. They are also Bloomington Gold Benchmark cars. Every once in a while htey come out for display upon invitation, but for the most part they are used (along with some other simmarily awarded Corvettes owned by others) for research for the TIM&JG. Someone has to do it.

What you do with your car is your choice. No one can or should tell you what to do with it.

I suggested a seminar to deal with the very subject of this thread, but it didn't work.

[Jimmy G.]

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I bought a DUNTOV 1960 many years ago and have added 56,000 miles And enjoyed every one of them

[Kevin G.]

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The Bowtie Awarded Car would be stripped of the award, if it was to be restored....No?

A seminar on this topic sounds like an awesome suggestion, IMO.

[Michael J.]

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Terry, let me ask a question about your preservation of the Bowties you have had for long periods. After all the pictures are taken, and all the TIM&JGs have been updated based on the info from any Bowtie during judging and examinations, what is left to learn by keeping it pristine and untouched, and undriven and enjoyed by those who like to drive them? I know some people enjoy looking at them in the garage as a static display, something that is not my thing but I understand it. The question is how long do you have to keep a Bowtie car preserved to feel satisfied it has done its job, accomplished its goal of learning, and you can drive it and not worry about preservation anymore? I view them like books that have been read and thus can be sold or traded without worrying about anything getting lost. I guess maybe it comes down to personal preference about what you like to do with your cars.

[Michael J.]

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Has that ever happened? Would it be a ceremony at the National?

[Brian D.]

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The Bowtie Awarded Car would be stripped of the award, if it was to be restored....No?

Also: "Has that ever happened? Would it be a ceremony at the National?"

Someone (National Judging Chairman, perhaps?) would have to track these cars and records.
Unless a restored and negated Bowtie car was presented for judging after the restoration, there would be no official way to know.
Any future buyers better do their due diligence before purchase, just as with a Flight car which may or may not still have all the same parts as it did on the day it was judged and awarded.

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[Kevin G.]

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Also: "Has that ever happened? Would it be a ceremony at the National?"

Someone (National Judging Chairman, perhaps?) would have to track these cars and records.
Unless a restored and negated Bowtie car was presented for judging after the restoration, there would be no official way to know.
Any future buyers better do their due diligence before purchase, just as with a Flight car which may or may not still have all the same parts as it did on the day it was judged and awarded.

The "Honor System" should hold the "restorer" to a moral standard.....









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[Michael J.]

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Right......that works.

[Kevin G.]

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Right......that works.

Key word: Should

[Arland D.]

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As with most of the procedural questions asked on the TDB, the answer lies within one of the NCRS manuals. In this case, the Judging Reference Manual 9th edition section 9 item 13 Mark-Of-Excellence and Bowtie Award Achievement.

An owner wishing an attempt at achieving both an NCRS Mark-of-Excellence Award and NCRS Chevrolet Bowtie Awards with the same car may do so ONLY in accordance with one of the following:

*At separate National Conventions: Mark-of-Excellence Award first, Bowtie Award second.

*At the same Convention: Both Duntov/McClellan and Bowtie Judging will be conducted separately during the same event.

*Surrender of the NCRS Chevrolet Bowtie Award and simultaneous judging of both Bowtie and Mark-of-Excellence.

The implication of the third option is that the car may NOT re-qualify for the Bowtie award during the second judging and you have no guarantee as to how many stars the car may achieve if any.

To further complicate this situation, there have been very rare occasions, which I won't go into, when a car that has received less than four stars is given an opportunity to have the car re-judged by surrendering any claim to the first Bowtie results knowing the second judging may result in less or more stars than the first judging. Hope this clears it up for any member wanting to successfully complete both judging disciplines. In my case, it was two separate nationals finishing the Duntov first and then the Bowtie.