'67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

[Michael J.]

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That's a good observation, I will also add I have cut my fingers numerous times on the razor sharp frame getting the plate in.

[Michael J.]

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BTW, who is going to call Zip and tell them they are engaging in false, misleading advertisement on their frames they are selling?

[Danny P.]

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I am looking at the latest '67 TIM&JG, 7th Edition, 3rd printing, that has a close up front end shot of my '67 on the cover with the license plate frame (the rectangular surround around the plate) on it. That one is non-magnetic and received no deductions at a Regional in May. All of my license plate frames came from Long Island Corvette (Zip just bought all their inventory) and none have received any deductions in the last 5 years of being judged, so I don't know what to think when people say they are magnetic.

It states in the 7th edition page 87 #17 in exterior must have enough-iron/nickel to be magnetic I know judges use a magnet to check the license plate how else are they going to tell it magnetic or not using a magnet to check things like choke arm linkage , staples , master cylinder bleeders , antenna if stainless steel or not

[Tim G.]

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I've got a bunch of original frames that I use for judging and I tell the judges to check with a magnet. Of course, I need all the poingt I can get.

[Mark F.]

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More on stainless steel grades, properties and uses than you can shake a stick at...

https://www.mchoneind.com/stainless-steel-grades-chart/

[Perry M.]

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I have another question regarding the frames that have nothing to do with magnetic or non-magnetic. I have several frames, some original and some reproduction. The portion of the frame that the rivet goes through is wider than the rest of the frame as shown in Gary's second picture in post #40 and some are the same width all around. I am sure the one that came on my car that I purchased in 1980 is original to the car but is the same width all around. Any comments?

[Michael J.]

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I've got a bunch of original frames that I use for judging and I tell the judges to check with a magnet. Of course, I need all the poingt I can get.

Yes, you are right Tim, and in retrospect this whole discussion has been pretty silly, considering the inconsequential results in the important practical world of judging scores. I am ashamed to have participated and will learn my lesson from it.

[Mike E.]

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I have another question regarding the frames that have nothing to do with magnetic or non-magnetic. I have several frames, some original and some reproduction. The portion of the frame that the rivet goes through is wider than the rest of the frame as shown in Gary's second picture in post #40 and some are the same width all around. I am sure the one that came on my car that I purchased in 1980 is original to the car but is the same width all around. Any comments?

I believe they had several suppliers for those. They used them at least through 1972, which means, by my calculation, that they placed over 400,000 of those in the back of cars. I received pics from a gentleman whose uncle bought a 67 new, so it is a 2-owner car, and the rivets are slightly larger in diameter than what I have normally seen. I have a pair that are original that do not have the patent number stamped. Another single with the patent number on the reverse of the clip. To me, this is another part where it is easy to slip from being descriptive to prescriptive.

[E S.]

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Don't know about 67, But I ordered a new 69 (still have it), and I think a pair cam with the car,and they are magnetic

[Gary J.]

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At the Judging School held by Dave Brigham, KC Strawmyre and Tony Stein at Lakeland this year, the use of magnets is OK.

This goes totally against the grain! Judges are NOT supposed to touch the owners car! Any items that are to be removed is removed by the owner. Now here we are touching the owners car with a magnet. Magnetic have their place but not on the judging field.

[Danny P.]

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Gary , if you were judging a car how would you judge stainless or steel staples and choke rod linkage and Radio antenna etc. they all look the same stainless and steel ?

[Mike D.]

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The 67 exterior teams I have been on use a magnet to check the frames and deduct for non magnetic. I have judged Mr. Gilmore's cars but not exterior on Mr. Johnson's. We did judge Mr. Johnson's interior on his 67 last May and did check his visor screws with a magnet and I believe we didn't take a deduction.

[Gary B.]

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Gary , if you were judging a car how would you judge stainless or steel staples and choke rod linkage and Radio antenna etc. they all look the same stainless and steel ?

In my opinion, Joe Scafidi said all that is needed and he said it well in his posting of 1:35pm on Tue, March 15, earlier in this thread:

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...290#post911290

But to rephrase Joe’s point, on page 1 of the Judging Reference Manual it says “Cars are to be judged to the standard of vehicle appearance…”. Just on appearance. If a carbon steel and a stainless steel part have the same appearance, then end of story. No deduction, move on to the next item. If the two parts don’t have the same appearance, then make a deduction based on appearance, as the JRM dictates.

[Daniel Y.]

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Mike, do you have a vote on whether magnetic or non-magnetic?

Gary, The stainless is a poor mans stainless. it WILL take a magnet. Jeff Smith's post is accurate

[Joe L.]

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Here are photos of an NOS GM #3797485 license plate frame [not for sale]. This is an original as supplied with my 1969 original owner. I never mounted them on the car. The same part number was used beginning from 1963. I highly doubt there was any change, at least between 1967 and 1969.

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