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  • Harry S.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 31, 2002
    • 5295

    #31
    Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

    At the Judging School held by Dave Brigham, KC Strawmyre and Tony Stein at Lakeland this year, the use of magnets is OK.
    Last edited by Harry S.; March 15, 2022, 03:16 PM.


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    • Gary B.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • February 1, 1997
      • 7018

      #32

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      • Joseph S.
        National Judging Chairman
        • March 1, 1985
        • 866

        #33
        Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

        Gary, All I will say to that question is a reference to the words printed in our Judges Reference Manual. "Cars are to be judged to the standard or vehicle "Appearance", and as equipped at the time and point of final assembly. If you skim through the Reference Manual most of the time you see the word Appearance it is italicized. If we are to judge to "Appearance" why are we using a Magnet?

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        • Michael J.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • January 27, 2009
          • 7121

          #34
          Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

          Will Dave issue a definitive directive to that effect to all chapters?
          Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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          • Gary B.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • February 1, 1997
            • 7018

            #35
            Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

            Originally posted by Joseph Scafidi (8321)
            Gary, All I will say to that question is a reference to the words printed in our Judges Reference Manual. "Cars are to be judged to the standard or vehicle "Appearance", and as equipped at the time and point of final assembly. If you skim through the Reference Manual most of the time you see the word Appearance it is italicized. If we are to judge to "Appearance" why are we using a Magnet?
            Joe,





            Gary Beaupre
            Gary Jaynes
            Harry Sadlock
            Gene Manno
            Michael Johnson


            magnet


            appearance. (exception: putting a magnet





            Gary

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            • Garry B.
              Very Frequent User
              • January 1, 1991
              • 660

              #36
              Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

              Mark, I particularly agree with your second sentence for a couple of reasons. The first is knowing what is and what isn't FOEM so that you can make an educated decision as to whether you want to take a few point hit or go for all of the points know with very little doubt that you are good to go on that one item. The other relevant reason for me at least is the "correct" part typically costs twice or more times the a reproduction part. In this case if I know the magnets are coming out I will find a real one. If they are not allowed to bring out the magnets then I have to decide if a reproduction will get me most of the points. I personally like original and don't like to scrimp, so learning what is and what isn't the typical characteristics of a an original license frame is important if for no other reason than paying a bunch of money for a reproduction unknowingly.
              Originally posted by Mark Francis (30800)
              Hi Gary,

              I respectfully disagree with stripping magnetic descriptions from TIMJGs.

              As this thread proves, several folks are interested whether or not they have FOEM, TFP license plate holders or NTFP repros.

              The TIMJGs we produce are Technical Information Manuals AND Judging Guides (2 distinct elements - equal in importance and execution in my mind).

              Magnetic descriptions (and other non-judged described items such as differential stamped codes; transmission codes; VIN derivatives [other than on the pad], etc.) wherever they are mentioned are information
              Garry Barnes #18531
              '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
              ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


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              • Michael J.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • January 27, 2009
                • 7121

                #37
                Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

                Mark, at this point the only C2 TIM&JG that mentions magnetic for the license plate frame is the one for the 1965. All the others only say they are "stainless". So the question is, what does stainless mean to someone? As I stated before, to me stainless means nonmagnetic, as in stainless exhaust, stainless brake lines, stainless staples, etc., which are quite common on restored C2s.
                Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                • Gary B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • February 1, 1997
                  • 7018

                  #38
                  Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

                  Originally posted by Garry Barnes (18531)
                  ?..I personally like original and don't like to scrimp, so learning what is and what isn't the typical characteristics of a an original license frame is important if for no other reason than paying a bunch of money for a reproduction unknowingly.
                  I completely agree. Each owner can use their own magnet to learn what we have. But that need not be connected in any way to judging.

                  It feels like I’m beating a dead horse here, so I’m going to sign off on this topic.

                  Gary

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                  • Garry B.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • January 1, 1991
                    • 660

                    #39
                    Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

                    Agreed, but I believe Jeff Smith clears that up by delineating in his attached document the different levels of stainless used over time.
                    Garry Barnes #18531
                    '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
                    ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


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                    • Garry B.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • January 1, 1991
                      • 660

                      #40
                      Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

                      So does it come down to as a car owner to be judged to ask if the judging team is a "magnet" or No Magnet" judging team? Just trying to lighten things up a bit. But you have to agree, consistency is not consistent across many parameters.
                      Garry Barnes #18531
                      '67 Lynndale Blue Coupe- National TF, BG
                      ​'67 Sunfire Yellow Coupe- 4 Star Bowtie,


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                      • Joseph S.
                        National Judging Chairman
                        • March 1, 1985
                        • 866

                        #41
                        Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

                        Michael, That is a question for Dave!

                        However, I will say this about the License plate frames. The finish is supposed to be Stainless Steel. If it looks stainless steel to me you will get all your points. Think of it this way. I know the current value of an NOS license plate frame. There is no way I am putting my magnet on a fellow NCRS member's license plate frame and taking a chance on scratching it. It's Not worth the Fraction of a point I "might" deduct.

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                        • Gary B.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • February 1, 1997
                          • 7018

                          #42

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                          • Bill B.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • August 1, 2016
                            • 303

                            #43
                            Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

                            I had walked into my local Chev Dealer in the summer of 1977 and purchased two license plate frames for my just acquired '70, as I was putting my newly acquired registration CT plates on and wanted it to look good. I believe the P/N was 3797485 according to my purchase notes back then. (I think I even saved the P/N sticker label somewhere in my archive)

                            I just went out to the garage with a magnet and yes, the frame itself was magnetic.

                            I do verify that the tangs on my frame are exactly as pictured in Mike's post #15 and Gary's post #34.

                            BTW - I never liked those tabs holding the plates in ... very persnickety to get the plate in and once in, causes the plates to slightly bow away from the frame in the middle ... even bows the NCRS plate I have on the front, since my recent move to NC.
                            Bill Bertelli
                            Northeast and Carolinas Chapters Member
                            '70 Resto Mod LT-1 w/ partial '70 ZR-1 drivetrain

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                            • Mark F.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • July 31, 1998
                              • 1523

                              #44
                              Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

                              Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                              Mark, at this point the only C2 TIM&JG that mentions magnetic for the license plate frame is the one for the 1965. All the others only say they are "stainless". So the question is, what does stainless mean to someone? As I stated before, to me stainless means nonmagnetic, as in stainless exhaust, stainless brake lines, stainless staples, etc., which are quite common on restored C2s.
                              Hi Michael,

                              Both of the latest edition '67 (your car on the cover) and '66 TIMJGs essentially say:
                              "Original license plate frames were manufactured...[sic "and are"] magnetic."

                              see '67 top of page 82; '66 near the bottom of page 82 for front license plate holder
                              see '67 right above photo E 17-1 on page 87 and '66 last sentence page 86 for rear license plate holder

                              to mag, or not to mag? - that is the question!
                              thx,
                              Mark

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                              • Michael J.
                                Extremely Frequent Poster
                                • January 27, 2009
                                • 7121

                                #45
                                Re: '67 stainless license plate frame - how to tell if real

                                OK, I missed that part on page 82, I was looking at page 81 at the bottom where it says: "The frame is fabricated of stainless steel..." with no mention of magnetic properties. It would be better if they put all that together up front in the paragraph about the license plate frames on page 81. And essentially anywhere they mention stainless steel, they should mention if it is magnetic or not, as most people do not associate stainless steel with being magnetic, at least in my engineering and science experience.
                                Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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