Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

[Mark F.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Hi Gary,

Yes (I think ).

Black Vinyl is Standard, and should appear on your Trim Plate as "STD", "STD.", or "BLK"

Al Grenning could explain the rest better than me, but with Standard BLACK Vinyl, there's no need for an ECL (per se) because it's not a color or material "option" that requires color matching and compatibility with other interior components.

IOW Black vinyl interior goes with anything (and everything in the interior is black) - and it also goes with any exterior color, so there are no "Exceptions" to interior color combinations and RPOs GM had to deal with; hence no need for ECLs.

Does that make sense?

[Gary B.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Mark,

Yes, your explanation makes sense and thanks for that. And it is consistent with the table “Schedule #3” on page 58 of the of the first edition of the Authentication Library Volume One for 402 black leather interior. What doesn’t make sense to me is why there is no comparable table for 437 black vinyl interior. Now my first edition, second printing of the Authentication Library is dated Winter 2004, so obviously it’s quite old. Maybe a newer edition or printing has added a table for 437 black vinyl? If not, I’d say that omission should be on the list of things to add when the next revision is contemplated.

And back to Scott: If you happen to have black interior, either vinyl or leather, then there is no way for the team leader, based on an ECL evaluation from your Trim Tag, to determine if your car came with shoulder harnesses or not. And if you were to add a set that is a close match to the GM originals (like Charlie S. at Seatbelt Sity might be able to provide you), you should not get a substantial originality deduction, if they are properly installed, and maybe no condition deduction if they are newly restored.

Gary

PS. My 2004 copy of the Authentication Library Volume One has 120 pages. The NCRS store says the current one being sold has 124 pages, so maybe the black vinyl table has been added.

[Don H.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

gary

437 is your Coupe Style Code. Not a Trim Code.
402 is a Trim Code, for Black Leather, an option from the Standard, Black Vinyl.
There are no ECL codes when your Trim is Std or Std. (Black Vinyl).
There would be no table of ECL codes for Std (Black Vinyl).
Are you having a senior moment, or am I ?


On your Tag, after the word Trim, does it say 437, or Std or something else?

[Mark F.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

leathervinyl

gary
437 is your Coupe Style Code. Not a Trim Code. 402 is a Trim Code, for Black Leather, an option from the Standard, Black Vinyl. There are no ECL codes when your Trim is Std or Std. (Black Vinyl). There would be no table of ECL codes for Std (Black Vinyl)....
On your Tag, after the word Trim, does it say 437, or Std or something else?

1. A31 Power Windows
2. A82 Headrests
3. A85 Shoulder Harness
4. C07 Auxiliary Hardtop
5. M35 Powerglide (Automatic) Transmission
6. N03 36 Gallon Fuel Tank

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[Gary B.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Mark,

Yes indeed. Thanks.

Gary

[Gary B.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

…I think Al (and Roy) had the 402 Table you mention in there because black leather interior was an RPO you had to order – and STD interior (as it states) is a no-option, BASE configuration. And, as you can see – they say “no restrictions” for inclusions or exclusions for the 402 RPO – meaning the car could have all of (or none of) the 6 options listed above that were controlled by ECL codes. The same goes for “STD” – and that is explained on page 18 at the top (my copy is 2004 as well).

Does that help explain a little better?

Mark,

I just read the top of page 18 in the ALV and I have to say what is stated there in no way provides the obvious clarity of the table for black leather on page 58. If the intent was for readers to understand that black vinyl interior has no inclusion or exclusion restrictions then, in my opinion, the writers have not succeeded.

Gary