Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

[Scott V.]

My wife is not comfortable with the original lap belts in my late 66 Convertible. Cannot locate any original OEM shoulder belts and it appears that only a small number of cars were so equipped in 1966 therefore no suppliers seem to be available for OEM style.

Anyone know what the point deduction would be for non original seat belts?

Thanks

Scott

[Don H.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Scott
you can find in the three columns of small links at the bottom of this page, Judging Score Sheets in the right column. Find the 63-67 Interior Score Sheets. Then under Section 11. Seating Area, Seat Belts, Tags, Buckles. Originality 14 points, Condition 12 Points. You would take a Full Deduction for the line, or a total of 26 points.

a small price to pay to keep the boss happy.

[Harry S.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

My wife is not comfortable with the original lap belts in my late 66 Convertible. Cannot locate any original OEM shoulder belts and it appears that only a small number of cars were so equipped in 1966 therefore no suppliers seem to be available for OEM style.

Anyone know what the point deduction would be for non original seat belts?



Thanks

Scott

If the judge decides that the belts are clearly not Corvette parts, you will loose 26 points. 14 for originality and 12 for condition. It's what your new belts look like vs the originals considering CDCIF.

[Joseph S.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Harry, What if you still have the original belts in the car, in addition to the 3 PT belts? How would that be judged?

[Joseph S.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Scott, Judging is only 1 day in the life of your Corvette. Why wouldn't you just install the original belts for Judging, then swap the modern belts for the other 364 days of the year?

[Harry S.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Harry, What if you still have the original belts in the car, in addition to the 3 PT belts? How would that be judged?

This is just me, maybe others would do the same. I would judge the original belts. I would also judge the damage caused to the interior to install the 3 PT belts.

[Scott V.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Thanks all, good to know. My wife's happiness is certainly worth 26 points and our decreasing odds of us eating the dash and steering wheel in the event of a wreck will win out.

I will certainly retain the originals and could reinstall them if those 26 points swing the car one way or the other. The NCRS score would be nice but overall my enjoyment of the car is more important to me.

[Jimmy G.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Personally I think it would be very small if any deduction as it is a safety issue. Just my 2 cents worth

[Gary J.]

[Joseph S.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Good Job Jimmy! I was waiting to see if anyone would come to that conclusion. It's clearly stated in our JRM not to deduct for safety items.

[Scott V.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Scott, does your ‘66 have the plate on the on the inner fender on the rear. The plate is visible when the rear tire is removed, it is attached to the fiberglass. If the plate is there I am sure Charlie at Seat Belt City can make you a set of shoulder harnesses for you ‘66 using the correct buckles. I would think Charlie would have the correct material, buckles, labels, etc. shoulder harnesses were an option in ‘66. Everything is spell out in the AIMS. This would all hinge on if the plate is there. It would be hard to add if the plate is not there. On the ones I have seen with the plate there is a red plug in the nut to keep the dirt out that will have to be removed.
According to the Black Book 37 cars had shoulder belts installed.

Thanks Gary, yes I do have the plates installed. My understanding is the plates started being added as standard process late in the run but no exact date. My car is a 19K S/N so pretty late in the model year.

[Arland D.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Per the JRM

25. Safety, Security, Other Allowance & Scoring Bonus

The following are allowed with no scoring deduction:

A. Standard seat belt installation on 1953 through 1957 models.
B. State or federally required safety equipment, state-required current inspection and/or registration sticker.
C. Very inconspicuous, functional non-factory alarm system.

Adding a shoulder belt to a midyear would not be covered by this qualification statement. Some judging discretion would apply.

[David H.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

My wife is not comfortable with the original lap belts in my late 66 Convertible. Cannot locate any original OEM shoulder belts and it appears that only a small number of cars were so equipped in 1966 therefore no suppliers seem to be available for OEM style.

Anyone know what the point deduction would be for non original seat belts? ...

Scott

Opinions from nothing to everything - all with some justification.

Opinion from Bill Calorico, your 1966 Team Leader is what counts. Drop him an email with your situation.

Dave

Bill Calorico bajabill676662@msn.com


Aftermarket seat belts, significantly dissimilar to the original configuration, would warrant a complete loss of Originality and Condition Points. See Standard Deduction Guideline #13. Undetectable installation would generate no loss of Originality points with Condition judged separately.

[Mark F.]

Re: Judging deduction for 3-point conversion?

Aftermarket seat belts, significantly dissimilar to the original configuration, would warrant a complete loss of Originality and Condition Points. See Standard Deduction Guideline #13. Undetectable installation would generate no loss of Originality points with Condition judged separately.

Hi Dave,

Also, worthy of mention (and I'm not telling you anything you don't already know) there were only 37 A85 (Shoulder Harness) cars in '66 according to the TIMJG. Not rare by NCRS standards (≤ 20?), but certainly not commonplace.

Proper evaluation and verification of the TRIM Plate codes and exception control letters using NCRS' Authentication Library Vol. 1 would quickly reveal whether or not the car was originally equipped with A85; regardless of how well the installation looks. In this case, my guess is if it's Bill C. doing the Plate and ECL evaluation, it will be a full deduct.

...and of course, none of this is relevant to why Scott wants them in there...

[Gary B.]