Concours Judging Award

**David B.** · June 12, 2020, 03:41 PM

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Loren,
I first proposed the concept of judging of modified Corvettes to the National BOD in October 2015. The National BOD approved my detailed plan for this judging program in October 2016. We began judging modified Corvettes in January 2017. Those who participate seem to really enjoy the process. Given the volume of cars participating, I doubt it's a big money maker or loser.
Regards,
Dave

**Chuck B.** · June 12, 2020, 04:11 PM

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Loren
I would like to suggest that you read about the award so that you would understand what it is about.
All participants really enjoy having their Corvettes judged under the Concours guidelines.
Just check it out

**Mark S.** · June 12, 2020, 07:16 PM

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Is it possible to get some background on why it was named Concours? When some people think of Concours, they think of Pebble Beach, etc. Might a better name be resto something? I appreciate the feedback!

**Loren L.** · June 12, 2020, 09:09 PM

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So, if it was to make $$$, David, it's been a failure?

**Don H.** · June 12, 2020, 09:24 PM

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Loren, I believe the objective was to increase participation. If it broke even or lost a little money but increased participation I would call it a rousing success! It opens up car judging for many cars that are very nice but not Flight Judging Corvettes. I have had a car judged and have been a Concourse Judge and think it is a good program. Don H.

**Frank D.** · June 13, 2020, 05:42 AM

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I attended one of the first (maybe the first) Concourse award meet at Lakeland and then the follow up next year at Lakeland, its a nice chance for folks to see a broader range of cars that are every bit as nice as Flight judged restored cars and for the owners to get some acknowledgment of their hard work. Several of my friends' cars were entered in the event.

Its just a different aspect of the hobby that NCRS has chosen to embrace. Admittedly, its not everybody's cup of tea.

**Tim G.** · June 13, 2020, 07:47 AM

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I'll have lunch with our Austin group today and Thad Holt will be there with his first ever Chapter Concours awarded 1965 Corvette. This is a red/red 65 roadster that has a trim tag stating it was born silver/black. The original 327/350 motor was decked and all the pad numbers are gone. This car wouldn't do well in Flight Judging, but it did wonderful in Concours judging. It's a stunning car that was honored by NCRS for what it is. If it were my car, I'd be thrilled to have it Concours judged, too.

**Michael J.** · June 13, 2020, 09:13 AM

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Having judged them and seen them judged at many meets over the last few years, I think it is a great addition to the NCRS offerings of participation for Corvette owners. As for the name, we had an event in Santa Fe for many years called the Santa Fe Concorso, and it operated like the other events like Pebble Beach, Amelia Island, etc. The judging at NCRS Concours level is different and more technically rigorous than the "French System" the others use, but similar enough to justify the name, which is appropriate, IMO.

**Larry E.** · June 13, 2020, 09:43 AM

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JMHO>When we talk about the NCRS "Concours Judging" more then 90% talk is about the "modified" class. Would like to know more
about the "stock class". Is there or will there be some type of Judging Manual come about? AFAIK there is no guide to get a
car ready for this. Comments Please>>Larry

**Harry S.** · June 13, 2020, 09:48 AM

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Let's see, I can take my convertible 63 98.5 % car worth about 70 k and..... add an LS3, 5 speed, vintage air, new technology radio and now it's worth 140 k. I'd be happy to Concours judge the car.

**Gary C.** · June 13, 2020, 11:00 AM

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This is the Concours Judging criteria that was published. Gary....

Concours Judging

Stock Division

Concours Judging Stock Division includes all cars that are basically stock-appearing (fiberglass, body paint color, etc.) with the hood, doors and trunk closed; wheels and tires may be non-OEM in the Stock Division. Cars with paint color changes are judged in the Modified Division.

Originality is NOT judged, only condition is judged. Must have been born as a Corvette, have an original VIN Tag, and have a title/vehicle registration that states the car is a Corvette (i.e. no kit cars). Trim tag is NOT judged.
Stock Division awards are; NCRS Blue Ribbon Award score 94.0 through 100 and NCRS Red Ribbon Award score 85.0 through 93.9. No award below 85.0

Modified Division

Concours Judging Modified Division includes any modified Corvette that does not qualify for the Stock Division.
Originality is NOT judged, only condition is judged. Must have been born as a Corvette, have an
original VIN Tag, and have a title/vehicle registration that states the car is a Corvette (i.e. no kit
cars). Trim tag is NOT judged.

Modified Division awards are; NCRS 427 Award score 94.0 through 100 and NCRS 327 Award score 85.0 through 93.9. No award below 85.0

**Harry S.** · June 13, 2020, 11:31 AM

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This may help a bit..... Much of the decision about what car the class is in has been transitioned to the chapter judging chairman or the Regional Judging chairman.

Attached Files

NCRS Concours Judging Slideshow 2018-09-20.pdf (859.0 KB, 60 views)

**James G.** · June 13, 2020, 01:17 PM

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I like the ''DRIVEN AWARD'' Last year at FRISCO I saw many nice cars . Reminded me of the 70's at WSCC Conventions when we all drove them and raced SLALOM AUTO CROSS.

**David B.** · June 13, 2020, 03:03 PM

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What is the reason for the Stock Division? The '65 described by Tim Gilmore is the reason. Here we have a car that outwardly appears to be a stock Corvette, but it has Trim Tag and engine issues. This car would get appropriate and significant deduction if NCRS Flight Judged. But it is a great Corvette and the owner is justifiably proud of it. NCRS has given him an avenue to bring the car to an NCRS event and earn a nice award.

Who decides what division a car belongs in? The answer is that the car itself makes the determination. Gary Chesnut accurately quoted the factors. Only when we have a case of too-close-to-call will the event JC get involved. Because the score sheets are the same for both divisions, we have had cases where we have changed the division after the car arrived at the meet.

Why doesn't NCRS have manuals for Concours Judging? Since the scoring is based solely on appearance and functionality, the judge is empowered to make these calls with needing a manual. We have provided judging guidelines, which Dave P quoted above.

As I said earlier, we have a program that the owners and judges seem to really enjoy. We have expanded the tent that covers the cars that NCRS will judge. And, to further Jim Gesner's comment, Concours Judging does award Driving Points.

Dave