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  • Wayne H.
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    • August 19, 2018
    • 58

    All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?



    Question: How would this car be judged? The only thing wrong is the VIN number on the pad.

    Thanks
  • Mike D.
    Very Frequent User
    • July 31, 1996
    • 311

    #2
    Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

    providing everything else is correct, it would be 25 point deduction for the VIN.
    Mike Doty
    Intermountain Chapter Judging Chairman
    Region VIII Director

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    • Wayne H.
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      • August 19, 2018
      • 58

      #3
      Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

      Thank you Mike for that quick response, he'll be happy to hear that.

      Wayne

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      • Ara G.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • January 31, 2008
        • 1108

        #4
        Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

        From one Armenian to another, i hope to see or judge the car one day! ARA

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        • Brian D.
          Very Frequent User
          • April 30, 1999
          • 425

          #5
          Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

          Before the engine swap, was it a 435, a 400, or a 390?
          B.D.

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          • Wayne H.
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            • August 19, 2018
            • 58

            #6
            Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

            Originally posted by Brian Davies (32153)
            Before the engine swap, was it a 435, a 400, or a 390?
            This car belongs to an old friend, he bought the car from a relative and it's been sitting in his garage for 10 years. He was told the original engine was 427/390. He recently repainted it the original silver.
            He asked me to look at it, because I have a '67, 427/435 also. While I'm not an expert, I can tell its mostly original with only 66K miles, even the carbs are dated correctly.
            He wanted to sell it, and he got a few low ball offers , so I told him to wait until he finds out more about it, and maybe get it judged. I personally think its worth keeping.

            My main question is: would the different, but correct engine, have a negative affect on the judging, aside from the 25 point reduction for the wrong vin?

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            • Wayne H.
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              • August 19, 2018
              • 58

              #7
              Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

              Originally posted by Ara Gechijian (48542)
              From one Armenian to another, i hope to see or judge the car one day! ARA
              Thanks ARA

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              • Nick C.
                Very Frequent User
                • August 31, 1998
                • 542

                #8

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                • Wayne H.
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                  • August 19, 2018
                  • 58

                  #9
                  Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

                  With that said, it looks like the NCRS will have one less car to judge.

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                  • Edward B.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • January 1, 1988
                    • 537

                    #10
                    Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

                    Counterfeit is a very strong term and one must wonder if it is appropriate for something as simple as a horsepower change when the block itself would be acceptable with only a 25 point deduction for the incorrect VIN.

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                    • Wayne H.
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                      • August 19, 2018
                      • 58

                      #11
                      Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

                      Originally posted by Edward Boyd (12363)
                      Counterfeit is a very strong term and one must wonder if it is appropriate for something as simple as a horsepower change when the block itself would be acceptable with only a 25 point deduction for the incorrect VIN.
                      I certainly would not suggest that anyone go through the work and expense involved in prepping their beautiful Corvette for judging, just so somebody can call it 'counterfeit'.

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                      • Nick C.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • August 31, 1998
                        • 542

                        #12
                        Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

                        No reason to be dismissive of an NCRS Concours Award.

                        Stock Class is perfect for the above described possibility.

                        Tremendous opportunity to help pave an evolving path!


                        Companies that succeed share common elements;


                        their people have positive attitudes.


                        always ethically selling, always closing.

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                        • Wayne H.
                          Expired
                          • August 19, 2018
                          • 58

                          #13
                          Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

                          Originally posted by Edward Boyd (12363)
                          Counterfeit is a very strong term and one must wonder if it is appropriate for something as simple as a horsepower change when the block itself would be acceptable with only a 25 point deduction for the incorrect VIN.
                          I agree 100%. If the word 'counterfeit' is actually used by the NCRS to describe the Corvette that I described in post #6; then maybe the NCRS should look up the word 'counterfeit' and learn exactly what that word means.

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                          • Mike D.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • July 31, 1996
                            • 311

                            #14
                            Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

                            Sorry, I misspoke, and I realize you need more info on this car. Look for evidence of the HP of the car, redline, etc. I have been told in the past info on a car that was far from being true. Do your research. and have someone knowledgeable look at the car before moving forward.
                            Mike Doty
                            Intermountain Chapter Judging Chairman
                            Region VIII Director

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                            • Tim G.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • March 1, 1990
                              • 1424

                              #15
                              Re: All Original Except for Engine, How would it be Judged?

                              I'd think it would be judged as a 390 horse car with deduct the items that differ on the engine from a 390 such as intake, carb, distributor and air cleaner along with some other 435 horse items. Since there isn't a blatant attempt to defraud the judges due to assembly and VIN stamps on the pad, I'd think it would be accepted for judging.

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