Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

[William F.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

Bill,
I agree. Batteries, tires for sure . Maybe a few other things, unreliable repo spark plug wires, and original correct number of green rings sparks for instance. Not talking about things like giant non stock wheels and tires, etc. And I'm talking about allowing a few common sense exceptions as noted above in flight judging, so don't say we already have that in concours class.

[Loren L.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

On the other side of the questions posed in post #1, is the market up or down for original cars when you look at a hammer price (no commissions added) of 155K for a 1956 Corvette?

[Dick W.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

I still believe that NCRS members ourselves are causing our own demise. Having to spend a fortune on a reproduction battery that lasts 2 or 3 years or original tire's that are unsafe to drive on just to gain a few points is nuts. I think that if the impossible parts were left out of judging we may attract a few young people and I mean like 40 years old. try to explain to your wife that you are spending 2K on a set of old tires while she is taking the kids to soccer practice in an 8 year old mini van.
Just my 2 cents
bill

I have preached that for several years to deaf ears. A lot of judges seem to take the attitude that I have my award and you ain't gittin' yours

[Patrick H.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

Bill,
I agree. Batteries, tires for sure . Maybe a few other things, unreliable repo spark plug wires, and original correct number of green rings sparks for instance. Not talking about things like giant non stock wheels and tires, etc. And I'm talking about allowing a few common sense exceptions as noted above in flight judging, so don't say we already have that in concours class.

[Roy S.]

[Gene M.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

I still believe that NCRS members ourselves are causing our own demise. Having to spend a fortune on a reproduction battery that lasts 2 or 3 years or original tire's that are unsafe to drive on just to gain a few points is nuts. I think that if the impossible parts were left out of judging we may attract a few young people and I mean like 40 years old. try to explain to your wife that you are spending 2K on a set of old tires while she is taking the kids to soccer practice in an 8 year old mini van.
Just my 2 cents
bill

You gotta be kidding. Nobody is forcing you to buy and install anything on your car. It is your own greed to achieve an award. And your relationship on your car and wife have no bearing on this feeling that you gotta have those precious points. Use current available quality parts and receive some points. Just don’t blame me and others in the hobby for your quest for maximum points and the poor quality of said parts.

[Gene M.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

I have preached that for several years to deaf ears. A lot of judges seem to take the attitude that I have my award and you ain't gittin' yours

NCRS has answered that “preached” and has the concourse classes that do just that. A Corvette need not have “correct” battery, tires, glass, paint, the list is endless. And no deduction for replacement parts that provide the same function. In the regular flight judging there is partial credit for parts meeting the stated requirements. I just don’t see the reason to complain about the NCRS processes.

[William F.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

Patrick,
Like you said, few DRIVE the cars that are to be judged. Think more people would drive their essentially "as delivered" cars rather than resorting to many exceptions allowed in concours category if a few practical deviations such as modern tires and, battery and ignition sustems would be allowed in flight judging.

[Michael J.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

Patrick,
Like you said, few DRIVE the cars that are to be judged. Think more people would drive their essentially "as delivered" cars rather than resorting to many exceptions allowed in concours category if a few practical deviations such as modern tires and, battery and ignition sustems would be allowed in flight judging.

They are "allowed", I have judged several cars for flight with those items on them, you just take a deduction. And some people are not hung up on only getting a Top Flight, as the other two flight awards are recognition too.

[James G.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

I can't speak for Roy, but I KNOW Jerry is paid by B.J. to VERIFY what the car is being represented as. He's NOT there to "build up" any cars. This started several years ago when people started finding out that the cars they purchased weren't real. B.J. has since employed several classic car experts to do exactly what Jerry does so this doesn't happen again. I just wish the other auctions would do the same thing.

Ed

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And I believe Roy was hired for the same reason.

In 2006, while at Scottsdale a 67 black / red 435 coupe sold for 189 if I remember correctly. A local.......and vocal NCRS member pulled his old DRIVELINE, where the same car and vin number from the late 1980s was for sale as a yellow / black 300 auto trans car. A few of us went to Craig's office and showed him the value of NCRS to try and keep the cars pure. The rest is history, and Roy explains well the corporation he has received from Craig Jackson and staff. REMEMBER..........ARE WE HAVING FUN?

[Gene M.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

Patrick,
Like you said, few DRIVE the cars that are to be judged. Think more people would drive their essentially "as delivered" cars rather than resorting to many exceptions allowed in concours category if a few practical deviations such as modern tires and, battery and ignition sustems would be allowed in flight judging.

William, you obviously have not read the NCRS judging manual nor the reference manual. The parts modern replacement is allowed for. There are in many cases a predetermined deduction for there usage on one’s car. Stop complaining for an issue that is fairly addressed in NCRS judging system.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

They are "allowed", I have judged several cars for flight with those items on them, you just take a deduction. And some people are not hung up on only getting a Top Flight, as the other two flight awards are recognition too.

I thought that's what I said, but...

I DROVE my 72 to its Regional judging - Top Flight.
I DROVE it the next year to its Bowtie judging - Bowtie Award.

At the Chapter level I see some cars driven, some cars trailered.
At the Regional level it seems rare that a car is driven to the event and judged. Same at a National.

There is zero reason that a modern ACDelco battery can't be used and the original ignition system can't stay in place.
I get the tires, but that's a decision the owner has to make. If the Top Flight means that much, then drive it further to gain back the points, or drive on repro tires.

[William F.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

Hey Gene and Patrick.
I applaud what NCRS is doing for most part. I'm proud to be a member. Congrats for driving your cars for judging. Just would like to see more driving and less trailer queens that can't get out of their own way. And by the way, I have several judging manuals, have read them and am familiar with what passes and what gets deducts.

[Gene M.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

Hey Gene and Patrick.
I applaud what NCRS is doing for most part. I'm proud to be a member. Congrats for driving your cars for judging. Just would like to see more driving and less trailer queens that can't get out of their own way. And by the way, I have several judging manuals, have read them and am familiar with what passes and what gets deducts.

If you have done as you say (posting #43) then your posting in #38 has no revalance. You appear to be contradicting yourself. The acceptance and consequences of say replacement part have been explained to you quite clearly by Patrick and myself. As well covered is the current trend on driven Corvettes to chapter, regional, and National meets. Logic, safely, distance, weather, etc in getting one’s car to a meet determines if driven or trailered. Your call out on “trailer queens that can’t get out of their own way” is ridiculous and uncalled for.

[Mark D.]

Re: Original Corvette and Camaro prices at Barrett-Jackson Auction

Just would like to see more driving and less trailer queens that can't get out of their own way.

You should move to Venezuela and become the new dictator. In lieu of that, you might consider doing as you wish and affording others the opportunity to do as they wish.