1954 vin tag

[Gilbert R.]

the vin tag is missing on my newly acquired 54, the frame is stamped and everything look to be correct, the tag just got lost during the paint preparation with previous owner , I don't see in the judging manual any info on the tag and the points allowed for it , any suggestions ?

[Ray C.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

The Judging Reference Manual states car must have the correct attached Chevrolet factory Vehicle identification Number (VIN) plate or an attached valid state approved replacement ID plate that matches the title and/or registration. Should a car appear with a Chevrolet (GM) issued duplicate VIN plate, it must be accompanied with acceptable documentation from the Chevrolet Division of General Motors confirming issuance. Any car appearing without identification as described shall be ineligible for any NCRS judging.

[Gary C.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

Gilbert,

Get a Texas DMV reissued VIN tag. Do NOT buy a repro. Repro are illegal and will be spotted by the Judges, which will disqualify your '54 from Judging.

Gary
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[John S.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

Gilbert,

Get a Texas DMV reissued VIN tag. Do NOT buy a repro. Repro are illegal and will be spotted by the Judges, which will disqualify your '54 from Judging.

Gary
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how about posting some of these repo tags that will get a car disqualified. I seen repo tags with the later c1 style fonts. how many judges can tell the difference between a early and late C1 fonts?

[Tracy C.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

John, having a car branded as counterfeit because of a fake VIN tag is not something anyone should be willing chance. It is no fun for anyone involved. Gilbert should heed Gary's advice and navigate this situation in a legal and ethical manner and get a state issued VIN.

[Bruce B.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

It is good to remain "ethical" but with a state issued vin the resale value of the car is significantly diminished.

[David B.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

It is good to remain "ethical" but with a state issued vin the resale value of the car is significantly diminished.

Agree 100%

[David H.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

It is good to remain "ethical" but with a state issued vin the resale value of the car is significantly diminished.

How much is the resale value diminished for a car branded counterfeit?

[Bruce B.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

I don't believe a car being "branded counterfeit" by NCRS has a darn thing to do with value unless the car is being judged by NCRS.

[Roy S.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

I don't believe a car being "branded counterfeit" by NCRS has a darn thing to do with value unless the car is being judged by NCRS.

Bruce, I tend to agree with you. At the same time if a reproduction VIN tag is put on the car and not disclosed as such - if and when sold you are wide open to a law suit finding you in the future. In many states the statute of limitations is 7 years from discovery. That basically means you are forever subject to legal action if not disclosed.

A state issued VIN solves that potential problem and for all practical purposes does not affect the aesthetics of the vehicle.

If a reproduction VIN plate is used, eventually someone will recognize it and say something when that happens if not disclosed previously by those that knew the seven years starts, if a subsequent purchaser fails to disclose that he was advised of this, it falls on his shoulders.

[John S.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

Bruce, I tend to agree with you. At the same time if a reproduction VIN tag is put on the car and not disclosed as such - if and when sold you are wide open to a law suit finding you in the future. In many states the statute of limitations is 7 years from discovery. That basically means you are forever subject to legal action if not disclosed.

A state issued VIN solves that potential problem and for all practical purposes does not affect the aesthetics of the vehicle.

If a reproduction VIN plate is used, eventually someone will recognize it and say something when that happens if not disclosed previously by those that knew the seven years starts, if a subsequent purchaser fails to disclose that he was advised of this, it falls on his shoulders.

so does that mean that any car judged over 7 years ago with a repo tag and accepted at the time of judging will not be subject to disqualification if the new judges(with a better knowledge of vin tags) realize the tag is a repo.

[Bruce B.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

so does that mean that any car judged over 7 years ago with a repo tag and accepted at the time of judging will not be subject to disqualification if the new judges(with a better knowledge of vin tags) realize the tag is a repo.

John,
I would hope one of the experts will chime in on this.
Since "Judging Manuals " are updated and changed from time to time would the changes also be retroactive to previously judged cars???
Bruce B

[Roy S.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

so does that mean that any car judged over 7 years ago with a repo tag and accepted at the time of judging will not be subject to disqualification if the new judges(with a better knowledge of vin tags) realize the tag is a repo.

My comments were not directed at the judging arena, but at the actual VIN issue in the real world when you sell or buy a car.

[Roy S.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

so does that mean that any car judged over 7 years ago with a repo tag and accepted at the time of judging will not be subject to disqualification if the new judges(with a better knowledge of vin tags) realize the tag is a repo.

Not at all - I think you will find that your car when presented for judging is judged on that day at that time based on the current level of knowledge that exists. Prior judging results are not a guarantee of future judging results, knowledge levels change.

[John S.]

Re: 1954 vin tag

Not at all - I think you will find that your car when presented for judging is judged on that day at that time based on the current level of knowledge that exists. Prior judging results are not a guarantee of future judging results, knowledge levels change.

I imagine there would be some very disappointed people if a car was verified to have a top flight or duntov award when purchased and later was disqualified when the new owner has the car rejudged. there are more than just a couple 54s and 55s that this can happen to. some of these car's vin tags have appeared on the corvette forum when original vin tags were discussed. NCRS better rethink "disqualification" of a vehicle due to a vin tag.