1967 Marina blue NCRS results

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Great input. Thanks. Agree and it is fun.

[John D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Sunfire yellow is another tough color. At one meet there were five all parked together and each one was completely different. One had almost a green tint to it.

[Gene M.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Ed,
Telling you straight as it should be told if your paint looks as in the posting sample expect a full deduct. The paint producers today have much smaller flake size to more closely resemble original paint. Sorry but the time frame of your car's paint application only single stage and larger flake were the norm. Finding a correct material can still be an issue today. Shop around for better finer metallic size.

Minimal clear application will also help your case. Metallic blues and silver are tuff colors to get right.

[Fred Y.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Great car Ed. I'd say unless you are over the top OCD--------------Leave the paint alone. ENJOY !

[Joseph S.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Ed, I think Gene is being a bit too harsh on you. We have a system in place to judge your paint. Color is worth 85 points. Metallic issue is a 50% deduct so you would loose 42 for that. Then you will be judged on application. This is also 85 point but it is divided into 45 for originality and 40 for Condition. Depending on how the paint is prepped for judging you could loose 30%, 70% or 100% of your originality points. Also, if you loose 100% of the originality you loose 100% of the condition points. If you only loose 30 or 70% of the originality points then your paint will be judged on condition and you may loose none of those points. So by no means is your car a FULL deduct for paint as it sits right now.

I think you should bring it out to a Chapter judging event and see how it does. And for sure, you should enjoy it regardless of how it judges.

[Edward J.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Ed here a pic of the newer paint flow chart this may give you a little idea of how we judge paint

[Joseph S.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Good job Ed. I was away from the office and didn't have access to the chart on my phone.

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

I REALLY appreciate all the input. I'll look at taking the car to a local show for judging.

As I said, I love the color of the car but am also into originality which is why the judging guide is the "bible" I use every time I need to fix anything. I only wish there was something similar for my Camaro.

[Gene M.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Ed, I think Gene is being a bit too harsh on you. We have a system in place to judge your paint. Color is worth 85 points. Metallic issue is a 50% deduct so you would loose 42 for that. Then you will be judged on application. This is also 85 point but it is divided into 45 for originality and 40 for Condition. Depending on how the paint is prepped for judging you could loose 30%, 70% or 100% of your originality points. Also, if you loose 100% of the originality you loose 100% of the condition points. If you only loose 30 or 70% of the originality points then your paint will be judged on condition and you may loose none of those points. So by no means is your car a FULL deduct for paint as it sits right now.

I think you should bring it out to a Chapter judging event and see how it does. And for sure, you should enjoy it regardless of how it judges.

Don't set the poor guy up for a disappointment. If the paint looks anything like the initial posting the type of metallic size/color result is nothing as it should appear. The judging is unrealistic to expect it will to 100% reverse previous judging. The requirement to some what represent original applied material is still required to retain points. Just being blue is not enough. Keep in mind on line computer color may not be true but big flake size is a killer.

Color chips are not paint and hold no water as comparison. Flow chart is only a refined 50 to 70% area change. The color has nothing to do with it.

Paint in original judging was allowed for 10% so you got the condition points at the time. The two notations of obvious flake size and clear makes deduction for non typical appearance. Still needs today to have original application/attributes/methods/DOI. Last step min of 70% or 100% max is determined.

[Edward J.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Don't set the poor guy up for a disappointment. If the paint looks anything like the initial posting the type of metallic size/color result is nothing as it should appear. The judging is unrealistic to expect it will to 100% reverse previous judging. The requirement to some what represent original applied material is still required to retain points. Just being blue is not enough. Keep in mind on line computer color may not be true but big flake size is a killer.

Color chips are not paint and hold no water as comparison. Flow chart is only a refined 50 to 70% area change. The color has nothing to do with it.

Paint in original judging was allowed for 10% so you got the condition points at the time. The two notations of obvious flake size and clear makes deduction for non typical appearance. Still needs today to have original application/attributes/methods/DOI. Last step min of 70% or 100% max is determined.

Gene, I Myself really don't think that anyone can judge a car from a few pictures, clear or not paint can be applied to have the appearance of a single stage paint job if done correctly. the flake in the paint is clearly to large. But I Think that he may salvage some of the points back if the jams are low(er) gloss. I think Joe is referring to. The last time out in 93 for judging there was no hope for the paint. new standards will give you a little extra leeway to at least salvage some originality/condition points.

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Thanks Edward but my guess is Gene is right. I've painted cars in my youth using lacquer and can tell you this looks nothing like it. It's too shiny and as we've discussed has metallic that's too big. They did not take the time in 1992 to prep the jams properly and simply sprayed clear everywhere. Keep in mind that the entire frame off restoration in 1992 (I have all the receipts) was about $14k. My guess is I'd be hard pressed to find someone to "fix" the paint for that amount.

I will likely keep it as is and drive it around. No one, other than me, has looked at this car and said "the metallic is too big". Not that it would bother me because I already know it. I actually like telling the story and part of me wants to keep it as is just because that's part of the cars history. I realize that may sound strange.

Some day I will likely get it painted just because I like things correct. That's the way I am.

If anyone knows of a painter here in northern CA, that would "fix" this with high certainty, let me know.

Again, really appreciate the knowledge from this forum. Makes owning a Corvette a pleasure and having a car with this level of documentation, history, and low mileage adds to that pleasure.

Here's my current "project". Purchased from the original owner.

Ed

[Gene M.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Gene, I Myself really don't think that anyone can judge a car from a few pictures, clear or not paint can be applied to have the appearance of a single stage paint job if done correctly. the flake in the paint is clearly to large. But I Think that he may salvage some of the points back if the jams are low(er) gloss. I think Joe is referring to. The last time out in 93 for judging there was no hope for the paint. new standards will give you a little extra leeway to at least salvage some originality/condition points.

Yes pictures are not good for judgement call. But understand the verbiage also states used metallic larger than original and judging sheets verify this along with statement of clear coat. Both of which are obvious in the sample posted. The direction on the new chart will still take it in the no, no directions. Metallic flake size makes the call obvious no matter what chart is followed. It just does not factory applied material nor process and appearance.

Ed should enjoy the car as it is it still is a nice looking car regardless of what NCRS flight judging requirements are.

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Despite this picture being from an 18yr old VHS tape, you can see the cars original paint. Looks a tad different 😀

[Tom B.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

nice Camaro.....what options?

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

nice Camaro.....what options?

Thanks. Here's the original window sticker.