1967 Marina blue NCRS results

[Ed D.]

Hi

I purchased my 1967 several years ago. You can see details at this website

https://www.doller.net

After looking at its NCRS judging sheets from 1993, right after it was restored, I saw that the largest deduction by far was for its paint.

The written in comment was "too metallic". Upon further inspection it's easy to see that the painter back in 1992 used metallic larger than original. See attachment.

My question is, if this car were judged today, would it lose all points for paint? Just curious if things have changed since 1993.

I love the car and the color but have toyed with the idea of re painting at some point.

[Bob R.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

If all else is correct about the paint application and just the flake size is wrong deduct 50% of originality for body color. There is also a paint flow chart with deducts for the appearance of the paint.

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Thanks Bob. Looks like they took almost all points for paint. Body color and body paint. See attached. It scored a 91.4 despite this deduction. I've been going trough the judging sheets trying to "fix" all the deductions.

[Edward J.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Ed, a lot has changed in regards to judging today, since 1993. Judging paint you may have to go through a chapter judging meet to see how it does. judging from the paint chip and your car it appears a shade off, which may fly as the judging today will allow slight variants in color.. appearance of factory application is what is judged, flake size does not change so if a judge says it not correct, then you will receive a deduct.

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Thanks. I figured things have changed since '93 hence my question. Appreciate your reply.

Ed

[Patrick H.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

In addition, be hesitant to change any car based on one judging event unless you know it's an obvious deviation. As a judge I can assure you that there are plenty of times we aren't entirely correct.

The newest JG is also much better than the one that would have existed in 1993.

Patrick

[Peter M.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Ed,
Why does the judging sheet show "wrong color"?
Kind Regards.

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Thanks Patrick. I understand. If you zoom in on the picture I posted you can easily see the difference in the metallic. I've owned a few Marina blue cars and this one is a bit different. I actually love the color and likely won't repaint it. It's the first repaint.

I was curious about the 1993 grade and the fact that almost all points were taken off in the top two categories and how that might be judged today given the shade is correct but the metallic is not. I'm trying to see if with most other deductions fixed, I'd score top flight with this paint.

Ed

[Keith B.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Thanks. I figured things have changed since '93 hence my question. Appreciate your reply.

Ed

the judging manual is twice as thick as it was in 93. it might be best to buy a new judging manual and go over your car with it. then take it to a local chapter meet.

[Michael J.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

There is much subjectivity in judging the color shade, tint, etc. None of us see the same color the same way, so it also depends on what the particular judge sees that day, the lighting temperature and brightness, etc.

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Ed,
Why does the judging sheet show "wrong color"?
Kind Regards.

I spoke to the second owner (1971-2002) who took the car to be judged. He said the judges were arguing over how to score it given the metallic was larger than original. So as you can see the wrote wrong color and metal flake + clear coat and deducted almost everything. Needless to say he wasn't happy.

The car is Marina blue with incredible documentation. See more at www.doller.net

If you zoom in on the paint swatch I posted you can see exactly what I mean.

Ed

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

There is much subjectivity in judging the color shade, tint, etc. None of us see the same color the same way, so it also depends on what the particular judge sees that day, the lighting temperature and brightness, etc.

You are so right about the lighting. The car in the sun looks like you'd expect marina blue to look like. In the shade, it looks much darker.

[Ed D.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Here's two pics to show what I mean. First one I took recently in the shade and morning light.

The second one is in the sun with my daughter taking it for a spin.

Looks like two different colors.

Ed

[Michael J.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

On one of my cars, it went through exterior judging for many years, chapter, regional, and national, with little to no deducts, then all of a sudden it was the wrong color, metal flake density, tint, etc. It does happen.

[Peter M.]

Re: 1967 Marina blue NCRS results

Hi Ed,
I looked at your web site. That is a beautiful car, great options, documentation and color combination, you are lucky to own it! If you want to have it judged I think you should, you aren't going to be blind sided by whatever paint deductions you get. Remember this is supposed to be fun.
Kind regards