63-67 & 68-72 Surge Tank date codes

[Michael J.]

Re: 63-67 & 68-72 Surge Tank date codes

I understand and accept that without question. And I have been to many advanced judging schools as well, I know it is all up to me, but would hope the info is not hidden, sequestered, or otherwise not available until it is too late to incorporate it into judging and prepping a car for judging.

[Loren L.]

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I guess I'm not understanding what the supposed problem is. For 40+ years, the pursuit of How the car was built, with Which parts and Assembled in this order. If it's some sort of negative that the 61-2 Team had new information that was put into the manual because that's the way it was, so be it. Go back 35 years to when ALL of the manuals were being redone, and you'll find that the 61-2 revision under Keith Kibbe expanded coverage and changed formats and covered new ground to the extent that ALL of the manuals were redone to reflect that level.
It's happened again on numerous occasions, and people coped with it. It took more that two years to remove gray shocks from the 1963 manual after a 1-man revision of the JG (Not the current TL). It took Mike 18 months to find an original owner of a 300 HP to convince me they got a crossover pipe, but he did and I changed mine.
There will always be errors. Learn not to change your car to conform to the JG when you think it's correct.

[Michael J.]

Re: 63-67 & 68-72 Surge Tank date codes

I guess I'm not understanding what the supposed problem is. For 40+ years, the pursuit of How the car was built, with Which parts and Assembled in this order. If it's some sort of negative that the 61-2 Team had new information that was put into the manual because that's the way it was, so be it. Go back 35 years to when ALL of the manuals were being redone, and you'll find that the 61-2 revision under Keith Kibbe expanded coverage and changed formats and covered new ground to the extent that ALL of the manuals were redone to reflect that level.
It's happened again on numerous occasions, and people coped with it. It took more that two years to remove gray shocks from the 1963 manual after a 1-man revision of the JG (Not the current TL). It took Mike 18 months to find an original owner of a 300 HP to convince me they got a crossover pipe, but he did and I changed mine.
There will always be errors. Learn not to change your car to conform to the JG when you think it's correct.

Probably sage advise. When was the last time you took a car through judging or judged in NCRS?

[Jim D.]

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There will always be errors. Learn not to change your car to conform to the JG when you think it's correct.

I agree 100% BUT can anyone explain why the 1965 manual changed correct information, that EVERYONE knows is correct, to wrong info. in the name of adding pages to the guide?

[Michael J.]

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Exactly! You gotta wonder what those TIM&JG revision people are thinking........

[Jim D.]

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Exactly! You gotta wonder what those TIM&JG revision people are thinking........

Or smoking?

[Terry M.]

Re: 63-67 & 68-72 Surge Tank date codes

I understand and accept that without question. And I have been to many advanced judging schools as well, I know it is all up to me, but would hope the info is not hidden, sequestered, or otherwise not available until it is too late to incorporate it into judging and prepping a car for judging.

Mike
If your reproduction tank was produced with the same date that was on your original tank, you should have no date issues in judging. You know that is a date in which tanks were produced for Corvette application(s).

[Michael J.]

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Mike
If your reproduction tank was produced with the same date that was on your original tank, you should have no date issues in judging. You know that is a date in which tanks were produced for Corvette application(s).

True Terry, I am not worried about that one, as it is original, but what about the 2 others? I am not sure they are, so if they decide to change what are "acceptable" date codes I would like to know before I get to a National or Regional. BTW, thanks for all those advanced judging schools you teach, they are exceptional.......and I hope you will be able to utilize my Bowtie candidate if I am fortunate enough to make it in that exclusive 5 star club.....

[Terry M.]

Re: 63-67 & 68-72 Surge Tank date codes

True Terry, I am not worried about that one, as it is original, but what about the 2 others? I am not sure they are, so if they decide to change what are "acceptable" date codes I would like to know before I get to a National or Regional. BTW, thanks for all those advanced judging schools you teach, they are exceptional.......and I hope you will be able to utilize my Bowtie candidate if I am fortunate enough to make it in that exclusive 5 star club.....

Keep me posted on the results of your Star/Bow Tie quest. At the right time we can work out those kinds of things.

You ought to be able to tell the originality of the dates on your other tanks by how those dates fit the production date of the car. I know you know how to do that. It is kind of NCRS Judging 101. If it walks like a duck ... and so on.

[Michael J.]

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Keep me posted on the results of your Star/Bow Tie quest. At the right time we can work out those kinds of things.

You ought to be able to tell the originality of the dates on your other tanks by how those dates fit the production date of the car. I know you know how to do that. It is kind of NCRS Judging 101. If it walks like a duck ... and so on.

Thanks Terry, it is NCRS people like you that I truly treasure in this hobby. Cheers! See you in Laughlin?

[Loren L.]

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And the last judging event I participated in has what to do with regard to whether LICS will sell you an expansion tank stamped with whatever date you wish? 2016X has a nice ring to it, but it's not going to score very well.

[Terry M.]

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Thanks Terry, it is NCRS people like you that I truly treasure in this hobby. Cheers! See you in Laughlin?

Yes, I am planning on it.

[Loren L.]

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Jim, I have a copy of a letter I sent to the TL covering that and other topics, with an answer to the effect that "we'll keep your letter on file", but there was not one word about production of expansion tanks - no "EXACTLY" about it. Two totally different topics. Your responsibility, in my view, is the same as it was 40 years ago, "QUESTION WHAT YOU BELIEVE NOT TO BE TRUE.". It worked then, and except for lack of transparency, should work now.