Point Reduction for Ceramic Coated Exhaust Manifolds

[Tom P.]

Re: Point Reduction for Ceramic Coated Exhaust Manifolds

These are original 2 1/2in manifolds which are on the SB400 in my 56. I had them coated by Coat Pro in Okla City----------------it's not ceramic, I don't know what it is. Of course, this is certainly not NCRS correct, BUT, my manifolds have been coated for several years and this is what they look like now.









SORRY, this picture came out a little dark.

[Siegfried K.]

Re: Point Reduction for Ceramic Coated Exhaust Manifolds

I had my LS5's ceramic coated tungsten grey, and they have the exact finish as shown in the middle two pictures.

[Floyd B.]

Re: Point Reduction for Ceramic Coated Exhaust Manifolds

At least 20% of the originality points for finish on that item.

Exhaust manifolds, fasteners and locks. 22 pts total for that line. Since small blocks have French locks, they figure in the point total (I haven't seen enough lt-1's to remember if they are an exception). *I* would assign 5 pts for the bolts and washers and 2 points for the locks leaving 15 points for both the manifolds.

15 pts x 20% = 3 pt deduction for the NTF finish. I would also take 25% of the 18 condition points (~4 points) because the ceramic finish obscures the cast iron finish that should be present.

[Harry S.]

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Exhaust manifolds, fasteners and locks. 22 pts total for that line. Since small blocks have French locks, they figure in the point total (I haven't seen enough lt-1's to remember if they are an exception). *I* would assign 5 pts for the bolts and washers and 2 points for the locks leaving 15 points for both the manifolds.

15 pts x 20% = 3 pt deduction for the NTF finish. I would also take 25% of the 18 condition points (~4 points) because the ceramic finish obscures the cast iron finish that should be present.

Taking 25% of the condition just double hit the owner with finish again. I don't think any team leader would or should support that call.

[Harmon C.]

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I agree judging finish on condition is a slippery slope.

[Floyd B.]

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Well, I guess we agree to disagree. I'm not going to reward someone for completely obscuring the entire part and the actual condition of the finish.

[Harry S.]

Re: Point Reduction for Ceramic Coated Exhaust Manifolds

Well, I guess we agree to disagree. I'm not going to reward someone for completely obscuring the entire part and the actual condition of the finish. Take another example: if someone puts a 24" racing stripe down the entire length of the car are you going to award him all the condition points when we can't see 10-20% of the surface?

That's a standard deduct of 100% across the board. originality and condition.

[Floyd B.]

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Yeah, bad example. Use this instead: a large bumper sticker that covers a large percentage of the finish. How are you going to judge that? Are you going to reward the owner for possibly covering a large rust spot?

[Harry S.]

Re: Point Reduction for Ceramic Coated Exhaust Manifolds

Yeah, bad example. Use this instead: a large bumper sticker that covers a large percentage of the finish. How are you going to judge that? Are you going to reward the owner for possibly covering a large rust spot?

20% of originality for Configuration, one must assume the bumper is fine under the sticker, benefit always goes to the owner.

[Gene M.]

Re: Point Reduction for Ceramic Coated Exhaust Manifolds

In addition to all the posting explained as being incorrect on the fuelie engine all together, it is a poor example even if it were a correct configuration. The FI engine has more issues other than the cast finish over some rust bleeding thru. The assembly sequence is wrong and the configuration of the machined surfaces is wrong too. The hardware is assembly sequenced wrong too. The entire orange overspray is missing completely and there is orange engine paint where it is impossible to be if the assembly sequence were correct. But this is a nice looking street rod. Under CDCIF there is more than one issue.

As for the sticker idea anything covered or obscured from view (as in a painted engine pad) is a full deduction if the judges can't judge it because it is covered by non original configuration (added sticker) of any kind. Only what is viewed to be correct will be given credit for.

[Floyd B.]

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I agree judging finish on condition is a slippery slope.

Lyle,
Firstly, I want to make it clear that I am not arguing with you. I met you in Kissimmee a few years ago while judging some 73's. I admit that you have probably forgotten more about these cars than I'll every learn. I'm just trying to learn so I'm curious about your statement. Does this mean you never deduct points for the condition of the finish? For example, if ignition shielding typically has a flash chrome finish and is 75% covered with rust, you would take no condition points?

Thanx,

-Floyd-

[Harry S.]

Re: Point Reduction for Ceramic Coated Exhaust Manifolds

Lyle,
Firstly, I want to make it clear that I am not arguing with you. I met you in Kissimmee a few years ago while judging some 73's. I admit that you have probably forgotten more about these cars than I'll every learn. I'm just trying to learn so I'm curious about your statement. Does this mean you never deduct points for the condition of the finish? For example, if ignition shielding typically has a flash chrome finish and is 75% covered with rust, you would take no condition points?

Thanx,

-Floyd-

I'm not sure he said that. If the part is to be flashed chromed and only 50% of the flash chrome is left then there is no originality deduction for finish. On condition there is a standard deduction card. Essentially it's how difficult is it to return the part to full flash chrome. The standard deduction card has nothing to do with the cost of the flash chroming just the difficulty. To flash chrome a part is simple so the deduction is low under 25%. May cost $400 to flash chrome it but it's a simple process. If another part is 80% rusted away and is deemed non-fixable then the condition deduction is 100%..