Can any one direct me to a picture (other than the assembly manual) showing the factory cutouts in the rocker panel for the "u" nuts that the side exhaust covers attach to? I can't remember where I've seen it, but I have. It's made with a special factory tool, if I remember correctly.
original side exhaust "u" nut cutouts in birdcage door sill
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Re: original side exhaust "u" nut cutouts in birdcage door sill
Rob, as I recall the cutouts (actually stamped out) is in the birdcage. Only St.Louis filled order for side pipe cars as AO Smith did not have the special machine needed to make the cutouts. I'm sure someone else will post a picture.
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Re: original side exhaust "u" nut cutouts in birdcage door sill
Can any one direct me to a picture (other than the assembly manual) showing the factory cutouts in the rocker panel for the "u" nuts that the side exhaust covers attach to? I can't remember where I've seen it, but I have. It's made with a special factory tool, if I remember correctly.
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Re: original side exhaust "u" nut cutouts in birdcage door sill
Hi again Rob,
No AO Smith midyear cars had side exhaust - only St. Louis ones. So to check side exhaust originality, first thing to do is check the Trim Tag. If it has a St. Louis tag then side exhaust possible and many ways to check further, most of which are easily changed. However the birdcage notches are almost impossible to fake and therefore a very good place to check if the question is real or add-on side exhaust.- Top
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Re: original side exhaust "u" nut cutouts in birdcage door sill
Why don't we show more pics so every one can do correct fake cars.- Top
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Re: original side exhaust "u" nut cutouts in birdcage door sill
Russ you make a very good point and that is the very reason I do not cover them in the Advance judging school. If one has a REAL side pipe car no discussion is required. If not then there is no need to disclose of there configuration.- Top
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Maybe-with the body off. Are you as a prospective buyer of a high dollar restored car going to talk the owner into allowing you to pull the body off to investigate?? I don't think so. The notches would be easy for me to fabricate and I doubt any one could tell with the body on the chassis .- Top
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While I understand not wanting to provide information that will encourage, or allow duplicating factory side exhaust installation, I think sharing information like this to allow perspective buyers to be able to determine originality of "factory side exhaust cars" is important and appreciated.- Top
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Re: original side exhaust "u" nut cutouts in birdcage door sill
While I understand not wanting to provide information that will encourage, or allow duplicating factory side exhaust installation, I think sharing information like this to allow perspective buyers to be able to determine originality of "factory side exhaust cars" is important and appreciated.
An Don Anderson so correctly stated, photos of the notches and lots of discussion about them are already easily found on the internet. In my opinion, your request for images does not make it any easier for people to create them.
But I do disagree with Don statement that it's virtually impossible to re-create the notches accurately. Where there's a will, there's a way. And as others have said, with the chassis on the car it is very difficult to get a very clear view of the notches. Having judged a few side pipe cars, I know this from experience. If I were a betting man, I would wager that someone with the right skills and intent (and there are such people in our hobby) could create notches that would pass all levels of judging. And I bet that has already happened more than once.
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