1971 Key envelope

[Kevin G.]

Hi All,

What is the consensus of the application of the glue strip on the reversed side of 70-72 key envelopes? I have read the archives and see that most have the opinion that there should be a continuous single strip of glue.

I have just had the opportunity to help a friend close a family scrap yard/ service station that was in business for over 75 years. The American Pickers would have been in their glory!!! I did take several pictures if anyone cares the see a glimpse. There was an overwhelming amount of cars parts, cars, trucks, and boxes and boxes of old stuff, some I didn't recognize. Probably stepped right over the big money items....

Back to my point, there was several boxes filled with paperwork that had been removed from the cars over the years. There was so many sixties and seventies warranty booklets and such I just couldn't believe my eyes! In one 71 package an original key envelope was found without the glue. This is the second original envelope that I have found with NO evidence of this glue strip. The first was discovered in my one owner 72 LT-1.

So, in my opinion, that lack or addition of this glue strip should not be cause for a notation or deduction during judging.

[Alan S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi Kevin,
I've been looking at key envelopes too.
On an envelope from a Bowtie 69 that I had the opportunity to look at I noticed there was a 'track' imprinted in the paper through the vertical center of the envelope. I'm thinking it was left by a 'wheel' that moved the envelope through the printer.
Does the envelope you found, (you lucky bird!), have this mark by any chance?
If you say next that you found a license screw envelope too I'll be sure you're living as good a life as it appears you are.
Regards,
Alan

It has 2 daubs of glue by the way. The daubs remind me of what we used to call 'mucilage'.

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi Alan,

As a matter of fact yes, it does show the same "track" very small but yes, it's there!
No license plate package discovered yet, but there's hope. I only went through one box he had to have a half a dozen or so.....If I come up with another, you will be it's new owner!

Again, on the glue strip, I believe not every card received it. IMO. More originals must be found but as I posted I am in possession of two.

[Edward J.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Kevin, Dave Strickland has the 71 originals for both the key and lic. plate pkg. retainer screws. maybe he will see this post or you can send him a PM.

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Kevin, Dave Strickland has the 71 originals for both the key and lic. plate pkg. retainer screws. maybe he will see this post or you can send him a PM.

Yes, Dave is "the paperwork guy". I am bringing this to light, for his and others (Reba) information. As mentioned, I also have been lucky enough to have acquired these same items along with the cars they came with.

[Dave S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Kevin, Dave Strickland has the 71 originals for both the key and lic. plate pkg. retainer screws. maybe he will see this post or you can send him a PM.

All,
i have never seen a known original without either one glue daub or two glue daubs. That doesn't mean they are not out there but just that I have never seen one. They have been reproducing these for a long time without any glue. Many attempts have been made to duplicate the "daub(s)" but I've never see one that looked right. The impression that Alan points out may also help with determining an original but that is new to me. The learning curve continues.............

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

All,
i have never seen a known original without either one glue daub or two glue daubs. That doesn't mean they are not out there but just that I have never seen one. They have been reproducing these for a long time without any glue. Many attempts have been made to duplicate the "daub(s)" but I've never see one that looked right. The impression that Alan points out may also help with determining an original but that is new to me. The learning curve continues.............

Hi Dave,

Glad you joined in!

There's no doubt these two I have are originals. These are only two without, of many that I have seen as well. I have examined them closely, there's no evidence at all of glue. I also have studied the reproductions and am familiar with the differences. Alan's sharp eye to detail finding this "track" is new to me as well, and adds another confirmation to my envelopes.

Just like so many items used to construct the cars we can be certain, absolutes are uncommon.

[Alan S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi,
Here are the glue daubs on the key envelope from the 69 that I posted earlier.
Regards,
Alan

Sorry Kevin….
Slightly off course… I'd love to see a picture of the license plate screw envelope from the 70-72 era. I've only seen one picture of one and from the description with the picture I'm not sure if it was an original or one of a small number of reproductions that someone did a while back. Do you have one Dave?
And while I'm wishing...how about a picture of the 'wrapping' for the license frames?
When I bought my 71 the keys and knock-outs were put on a ring (2 keys had the knock outs removed but were included, and 2 still have the knockouts in them), and both plates/frames were mounted on the car, so I don't THINK I ever even saw the envelopes/wrapping.

[Dave S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Alan,
I believe these are in the DB Archives but I will post them anyway/

[Gary B.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hmmm. Some more good pictures for the judging reference manual update.
Gary B

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi Gary,

Here's two shots of the latest original key envelope found, with the oval key still inside. I'd bet Pete could recognize the cut from the codes alone, to determine its match?

[Alan S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Hi Dave and Kevin,
Thanks Dave, I had no idea those 2 small staples were part of the license screw envelope.
Kevin, SO MANY differences in the printing from the 69 envelope and your 71 envelope!
Regards,
Alan

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Alan,

Dave's pictures are examples that are in terrific condition as compared the license screw package I discovered in the LT-1. Very good pictures as Gary posted.

As far as the "new" fresh looking examples I would have to now conclude, they are these somewhat blurring reproductions that have out there for many years......Even with the added "track" that you just showed me, (way cool!), that does appear on my original (however not as pronounced). Glue strip or no glue strip, the printing is much more clear on the originals in my hand, than the example you posted. Along with the differences you reveal. Look at the key alone, much different!

[Dave S.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

Alan,

Dave's pictures are examples that are in terrific condition as compared the license screw package I discovered in the LT-1. Very good pictures as Gary posted.

As far as the "new" fresh looking examples I would have to now conclude, they are these somewhat blurring reproductions that have out there for many years......Even with the added "track" that you just showed me, (way cool!), that does appear on my original (however not as pronounced). Glue strip or no glue strip, the printing is much more clear on the originals in my hand, than the example you posted. Along with the differences you reveal. Look at the key alone, much different!

A fellow low member named Bill Vyn reproduced the license plate envelopes and did a fantastic job. As I recall he did them at least 10 years ago. I bought a few for comparison. I think he did a small run and never did them again IIRC.

[Kevin G.]

Re: 1971 Key envelope

A fellow low member named Bill Vyn reproduced the license plate envelopes and did a fantastic job. As I recall he did them at least 10 years ago. I bought a few for comparison. I think he did a small run and never did them again IIRC.

Let's show an original license plate screw envelope, instead of a reproduction, even as good as it may be....Wouldn't serve any good being used in an updated JG. Without your second post many would have ASSUMED it was the real deal, especially coming from you...
As I posted earlier I would expect to see "some" type of aging to these paper articles. Even the white starting instruction cards that appear not to have been handled still show a slight yellowing.

Excuse the condition, it is as found...