Chain of ownership....

[Bill M.]

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Dan, agreed and who is reproducing most of the documents? Our very own experts! Any one ever wonder why a person would want tracings of thousands of engine stampings?

[Bob J.]

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Joe & Loren,
Joe I mis-read your post referencing original registration. I should have my original Florida registration. I will look. Thanks! Bill

Bill, I think on older FLA titles the third line down has a box for STATE PREV. REG.
If you were first owner that box would have NEW typed in, instead of FLA or another state. Bob J

[Bill W.]

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Where and how does this come into play during the judging process? I bought my 63 along with my buddy as a 50/50 partner while we were in the Army. His Mom ordered it in her name through a dealer friend in a small Wisconsin town (they were both in the local Business Association). The price we paid was a good $500 less than list (a lot of money at the time for a couple of PFC's). You can imagine over the years the paper work we went through before I finally ended up as sole owner after he died in 1975. I bought out his share from his wife for $10.00 as she knew I would take good care of it for the intrinsic value it represented. I don't care what any judge thinks about my story and all the paper work (including letters) that confirm it. It is what it is and it means a lot to me.

Stu Fox

Stu,
The question arose when the judge stated a certain part was not original to my car. My response was, "It is original because I am the original owner and it has never been changed." Bill

[Kenneth B.]

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Stu,
The question arose when the judge stated a certain part was not original to my car. My response was, "It is original because I am the original owner and it has never been changed." Bill

BILL How old was the judge? Just because a person paid big bucks & went to judging school doesn't mean one knows everything about Corvettes. A girl I went to school with bought a new 1964 Red/Red conv. She never touched the car except for maintenance with original paint/ interior ETC. She had it judged a few years ago. Trim tag code was for a Blue/Red Corvette. The judges at the Auburn In. NCRS meet let it pass as original but a factory mistake so not all judges are so arrogant. She got a top Flight.

[Joe R.]

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Bill,

If you are happy being treated that way I am removing my post but I think that the NCRS Judging Chairman should talk to the team leaders and judges before each meet to remind them to be respectful to the cars and the owners.

JR

[Ed S.]

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Bill,
You think you have problems proving ownership - check out this story about a stolen Vette that was recovered.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/02/25/stolen-chevrolet-corvette-found-after-42-years-but-could-go-away-again/

[Philip A.]

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BILL How old was the judge? Just because a person paid big bucks & went to judging school doesn't mean one knows everything about Corvettes. A girl I went to school with bought a new 1964 Red/Red conv. She never touched the car except for maintenance with original paint/ interior ETC. She had it judged a few years ago. Trim tag code was for a Blue/Red Corvette. The judges at the Auburn In. NCRS meet let it pass as original but a factory mistake so not all judges are so arrogant. She got a top Flight.

Ken
I think it was more likely not a factory mistake. A very good friend of mine who worked at a Chevrolet dealership (I will keep anonymous) through the 1960s, told me they would routinely swap interiors, engines, and other options between cars on the lot, to "give the customer what he/she wanted". The cars did not leave the factory that way but they left the dealership that way.
Phil

[Bill W.]

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Ken,
I now regret going into detail about a judge questioning my truthfulness. The GREAT majority of our judges do a fine job and I have found over the years that mistakes made in one area of judging are often nullified in another area. An incorrect deduction may be made in the interior section of judging while an incorrect item is overlooked in mechanical. I believe I can take my car to several regional (or national) events in a short period of time with a variety of judges looking at it and the net score from each judging will be very close while the actual deductions in each section will be close but not identical.
I would like to close this thread by saying our judges, team leaders and judging chairman do a great job which I appreciate. One last thought, take away all the great friends you have made through our car hobby. How many friends do you now have left? For Vicky and I it would be a short list! Back to the garage! Bill

[Leif A.]

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Ken,
I now regret going into detail about a judge questioning my truthfulness. The GREAT majority of our judges do a fine job and I have found over the years that mistakes made in one area of judging are often nullified in another area. An incorrect deduction may be made in the interior section of judging while an incorrect item is overlooked in mechanical. I believe I can take my car to several regional (or national) events in a short period of time with a variety of judges looking at it and the net score from each judging will be very close while the actual deductions in each section will be close but not identical.
I would like to close this thread by saying our judges, team leaders and judging chairman do a great job which I appreciate. One last thought, take away all the great friends you have made through our car hobby. How many friends do you now have left? For Vicky and I it would be a short list! Back to the garage! Bill

Very honorable on your part, Bill. I don't think anyone here including yourself (especially those of us who have had our cars judged) is calling out our NCRS judges who do an amazing job relating their knowledge when observing our cars. I believe it was the blatant way you were called out as though what you stated as fact, was a lie. No one ever has the right to do that to another person...under any conditions unless they have proof positive as to their opinion. Our group would be nothing like it is, our hobby wouldn't be nearly as valuable without our judges doing what they do...and, may I remind everyone...for no remuneration whatsoever.

[Carl N.]

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Ok I did not read all of the reply's, but when did proof of ownership chain have anything to do with judging -------- if so what's next ----- proof of payments for purchase of vehicle and repairs over the years --- better shut up 'for I get in real trouble.

[Carl N.]

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Philip,

I worked for a short period of time in 1971 for dealership in Amarillo. I assisted with several "swaps" on various Chevy models to "make the sale happen" not unusual at all. Wheel and tire swaps along with radio/stereo were the most common. No one ever gave it a second thought.

[Kenneth B.]

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Philip,

I worked for a short period of time in 1971 for dealership in Amarillo. I assisted with several "swaps" on various Chevy models to "make the sale happen" not unusual at all. Wheel and tire swaps along with radio/stereo were the most common. No one ever gave it a second thought.

Please reread my post. The Corvette was NOT repainted it was ordered as a Red/Red 1964 & came in that way. It was a factory typo. There were many trim tag miss stampings. The blue/Red combo was NOT a factory recommended color.

[David B.]

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Folks,
Although it is not clear to me that it occurred in the matter under discussion in this thread, under no circumstances should a judge get into a discussion where he/she questions the truthfulness of an owner. That is not our job. If it did happen here, Bill, I apologize on behalf of the NCRS judging office.

Those of you who have attended one of our judges' meetings at a regional or national meet will recall that I constantly stress consideration for the cars and the owners. We owe this to our fellow members.

In the current matter, although I was not there, it seems to me that the owner or the judge should have consulted with the team leader,and if necessary, the event judging chairperson. We have a dispute resolution process for this very reason. Perhaps that happened here, but I do not see an indication of that. Again, at regional and national meets, I try to carefully explain the dispute process to the owners.

Remember, we are all members of the same club.

Dave