Let's Judge a car.

[Stuart F.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

It is a shame that the owner/restorer spent a lot of money on this car, but in the wrong places and on the wrong parts. He/She could easily have brought it up to original (NCRS) standards and had a car that would be worth more than it will bring in this auction. Having a Daytona Blue Convertible myself with the 340 hp, I can understand someone configuring the car to their own desires (what with the PS and PB), but the changes I made are all reversible in a few hours. Case in point: the Edelbrock carburetor. I ran with a Carter replacement (3721sb) for years until I found a correct 3461s AFB. Even though the Edelbrock looks nice, it still requires a modified fuel line (it's not a direct bolt in). Note: the choke is electric, not electronic as stated. Also, the power brake master cylinder IS correct for 63 (hex head cover bolt instead of thumbscrew). The 64 has a bail wire.

The seller obviously chose a photo selection that does not show many of the incorrect items. I too like the values listed from his research, but I doubt he'll ever make it to his dreamland. That was fun, now what's next?

Stu Fox

[Kevin G.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

Harry,

I see my opinion is going against the grain, again so to speak. That's OK.

Let's see if I can express my thoughts without inserting my foot into my mouth?

Often I read or see threads linking cars on public auction sites to other forums for critique. It is my belief that this practice can lead to problems, in most cases. This thread so far has been fun and in some way helpful to the seller (your post as to the sellers research). However, the risk of damaging or hindering a sale of someone's property by comments made is quite large. Judging cars should be saved for the judging field, where as the owner has agreed to hear the results of what the experts here have to say. These types of thread lower the values held so high here on the Technical Discussion Board, and should be saved for other general forums.

I realize all here love judging cars and sharing. It's the internet or online communication that has and will continue to diminish right from wrong.

[Keith B.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

While I agree with you Kevin to a point. It also helps people learn about a car they thought about buying and can save them countless dollars chasing them. If the comments go over well it can be worth someone's time to go inspect it in person. If the comments turn south it gives the potential buyer a red light to pass and keep looking. Any car can be picked to death of all the "wrong" parts if you look hard enough.

[Alan S.]

[Tracy C.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

Harry,

Often I read or see threads linking cars on public auction sites to other forums for critique. It is my belief that this practice can lead to problems, in most cases. This thread so far has been fun and in some way helpful to the seller (your post as to the sellers research). However, the risk of damaging or hindering a sale of someone's property by comments made is quite large. Judging cars should be saved for the judging field, where as the owner has agreed to hear the results of what the experts here have to say. These types of thread lower the values held so high here on the Technical Discussion Board, and should be saved for other general forums.

Do ya think this "seller" might of invited some comments from this crowd by inserting these statements into his description?

The best description for this ....beauty is LIKE NEW.

Full NCRS quality frame off restoration of body, paint, trim, interior, frame and complete drive train.

Not far from a Concours Corvette.

What troubles me is that people use statements that would insinuate NCRS endorsement in their misleading advertising. This car in it's presented state would not earn even a third flight judging award. In fact, it might just be branded counterfeit due to the Trim Tag body number / VIN discrepancy. Had the listing left out the NCRS, this thread may not have occurred.

tc

[Frank D.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

It is a shame that the owner/restorer spent a lot of money on this car, but in the wrong places and on the wrong parts. He/She could easily have brought it up to original (NCRS) standards and had a car that would be worth more than it will bring in this auction. Having a Daytona Blue Convertible myself with the 340 hp, I can understand someone configuring the car to their own desires (what with the PS and PB), but the changes I made are all reversible in a few hours. Case in point: the Edelbrock carburetor. I ran with a Carter replacement (3721sb) for years until I found a correct 3461s AFB. Even though the Edelbrock looks nice, it still requires a modified fuel line (it's not a direct bolt in). Note: the choke is electric, not electronic as stated. Also, the power brake master cylinder IS correct for 63 (hex head cover bolt instead of thumbscrew). The 64 has a bail wire.

The seller obviously chose a photo selection that does not show many of the incorrect items. I too like the values listed from his research, but I doubt he'll ever make it to his dreamland. That was fun, now what's next?

Stu Fox

I'm with you Stu. I've done a few things to my split window but they are reversible (e.g. Vintage Air A/C) and Detroit Speed headlight electronic motor conversion. I always restore the original parts I remove to do these things so they can be reinstalled someday. Other than that I try to stay close to original. I upgraded to power brakes with all original (and expensive!) components even though some folks were telling me to use cheap passenger car parts etc.... Even located the correct '63 "fan" headlight switch and spare tire cover lock.

I think its fun and makes sure the car doesn't get too far afield from original while providing some creature comforts and upgrades...if I ever sell (unlikely) all this "stuff" goes with the car...

[Rich C.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

It might not make the seller happy, but he did kinda step in it when he used the "NCRS standards" quote. As far as affecting his sale, some people bidding might not care if it's NCRS correct. If they do, they should do their research. I wish a similar thread had been available about a '73 before I purchased mine! I would've been alerted to wrong valve covers, missing emissions,wrong radiator support, etc. Ah but that was 25 years ago. I still would've bought it!!! Caveat empor!


1973 LS-4 454 coupe owned 24 years
1996 LT-4 CE coupe
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[Mike M.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

my post stated the BOOSTER was 64 up. i didn't mention the master cylinder in my post as it is a 63 . mike

[Mark D.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

Coupes were very rare according to the vin and trim tag.

Rare as rust on a restored car.

[Stuart F.]

Re: Let's Judge a car.

Right you are Mike (good eye) as always. We could spend days trying to find faults seen in the few photos presented, and judging it in person would be a field day. Right now I'm only interested in the final bid. Nice chating with you all. Stay warm and dry up in god's country.

Stu Fox