Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

[Gary C.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

Jim,

You might consider doing this - is the car still in Mass? If so, go with the current owner to get the car inspected per the current Mass. DMV rules and see if the State accepts it or not.

JMTCW,

Gary
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[Jim S.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

Jim,

You might consider doing this - is the car still in Mass? If so, go with the current owner to get the car inspected per the current Mass. DMV rules and see if the State accepts it or not.

JMTCW,

Gary
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Gary, The car was titled in MA for an additional 3 times or so after 1970. It was then titled in NH and then went to GA in 1992 where it has been since. So I don't think MA would be much help at this point.
This George Brown listed on the MA document was a MA police officer.

[Gary C.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

Jim,

Change Mass to Georgia and see what the State DMV officials have to say about the VIN tag and supporting documentation.

It's your money at risk. We're all just trying to help you mediate the risk.

Gary
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[Jim S.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

Jim,

Change Mass to Georgia and see what the State DMV officials have to say about the VIN tag and supporting documentation.

It's your money at risk. We're all just trying to help you mediate the risk.

Gary
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Apparently the present GA owner received his GA title (22 yrs ago) by presenting the NH title & bill of sale. GA did not inspect the car or "VIN" tag.

[Michael W.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

You missed my point Mike. I can't believe Ma. "issued" that tag. They may have said "Go ahead and make your own and here's a piece of paper that says it's okay". You say "No problem whatsoever" regarding the NCRS accepting that tag. I've seen many "State Issued" tags that the NCRS accepts and they all were official looking with the issuing state clearly on the tag. The O.P.'s tag looks like it was done by a child. So again - Is it because of the paperwork that you say no problem? How about if a car showed up with a tag like that but had no paperwork?

No, I didn't miss your point. My thoughts when it comes to admissibility for judging are in line with Dave Brigham. None has come forward yet with the suggestion that this tag and paperwork is NOT legit. Does the NCRS want to (or should they) become watch dogs for non-GM issued VINs? This is yet another slippery slope with respect to 'authentication'.

There's a lot of side discussion as to whether a person should buy this car or not- but that's not what the OP asked.

[Jim D.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

Does the NCRS want to (or should they) become watch dogs for non-GM issued VINs? This is yet another slippery slope with respect to 'authentication'.

They certainly are regarding Trim Tags being authentic GM issued.

[Jim S.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

There's a lot of side discussion as to whether a person should buy this car or not- but that's not what the OP asked.

Yes, my concern is/was NCRS's 'ability' to judge this vehicle with that 'tag', but I'm also questioning whether purchasing the car will present 'problems' down the road.

[Jim S.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

They certainly are regarding Trim Tags being authentic GM issued.

I'll answer for Mike, (I think this is what he meant :^) Yes, NCRS scrutinizes trim tags against GM issued. This case would be scrutinizing a replacement tag as being legitimate or not. Whether it came from GM or some governing body.
(Feel free to correct me, Mike)

[Jim D.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

I'll answer for Mike, (I think this is what he meant :^) Yes, NCRS scrutinizes trim tags against GM issued. This case would be scrutinizing a replacement tag as being legitimate or not. Whether it came from GM or some governing body. (Feel free to correct me, Mike)

If that's the case, anyone could simply write a number on the crossbar with a felt pen or even use a label maker and the NCRS would have to accept it.

[Jim S.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

If that's the case, anyone could simply write a number on the crossbar with a felt pen or even use a label maker and the NCRS would have to accept it.

No, I don't think that's what Mike meant, please re-read.

"No, I didn't miss your point. My thoughts when it comes to admissibility for judging are in line with Dave Brigham. None has come forward yet with the suggestion that this tag and paperwork is NOT legit. Does the NCRS want to (or should they) become watch dogs for non-GM issued VINs? This is yet another slippery slope with respect to 'authentication'."

[Michael W.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

I'll answer for Mike, (I think this is what he meant :^) Yes, NCRS scrutinizes trim tags against GM issued. This case would be scrutinizing a replacement tag as being legitimate or not. Whether it came from GM or some governing body.
(Feel free to correct me, Mike)

Essentially yes. I can see some focus being put on detecting and weeding out look-alike but unauthorized and counterfeit GM tags, but becoming experts on state/province issued tags is a whole different ball game.

I've seen cars from my former home province of Quebec that carried both a GM issued VIN tag AND a provincially issued tag. How about that?

[Patrick H.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

Yes, my concern is/was NCRS's 'ability' to judge this vehicle with that 'tag', but I'm also questioning whether purchasing the car will present 'problems' down the road.

It's presenting problems right now, so I'd say it is moderately obvious that there will continue to be problems with this tag down the road. This is especially true if anyone loses that piece of paper.

One might consider having a state issued tag installed with the same VIN in order to remove doubt, and keep the current tag and paper as historical oddities. But, that's just one option.

Patrick

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

What part of Mass. apparently did NOT issue state SN'S & authorized the cars known SN to be added. If the paper work is deemed to be real why should NCRS give a Sh*t how professional it looks. PS We are NOT talking about counterfeit trim & SN tags.

[Don H.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

Well, that is the crux of it, isn't it? We don't know if we are talking about a counterfeit VIN plate or not.
If we accept that the little MASS state document really does apply to the 67 vette in question, then we are good to go.
The paper makes the case if we are glass half full people.
But if we are glass half empty people, we are suspicious that there may be more to this story than meets the eye.
For me, I am not someone that would want to own that 67 vette unless someone gave it to me.
If I already own it, and want to judge it, I have DB's statement in this thread printed and stowed in my paperwork, and I am headed to a Chapter meet near me.


"If someone does not trust these inspectors, who do we trust?" WE DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE EVER INSPECTED THE CAR AT ISSUE IN THIS THREAD
"If a car has a stolen past or a salvage title and is cleared up LEGALLY then why can't we trust the owner if he or she has all the paper work?" WE CAN IN THE SCENARIO YOU DESCRIBE IE. YOURS. BUT THIS CASE HAS DIFFERENT FACTS.
"I thought NCRS was a brotherhood of trying to make things work, not tear them down." ABSOLUTELY
"I have had dealings with many of the members and find them honest." COULDN'T AGREE MORE. A MEMBER IS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CAR BUT DOES NOT OWN IT. WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE CURRENT OWNER OR ALL THE PREVIOUS OWNERS AND THEIR LEVEL OF HONESTY? NOT ME.

[Domenic T.]

Re: Replaced VIN Tag. How would this be handled by NCRS Judging?

Why don't states keep records of stolen cars that were stollen years ago? My car was totaled, over $1700 to fix it back in 71 when I bought it. It could have been stolen and totaled. Then if there were records I would be able to look up the previouse owner.
I have paperwork from the vette dealer, DMV/ CHP and a further inspection by a DMV rep that looked at my frame and my new tag with his blessings. My title looks like any other CA title.
If someone does not trust these inspectors, who do we trust? If a car has a stollen past or a salvage title and is cleared up LEGALY then why cant we trust the owner if he or she has all the paper work?
I thought NCRS was a brotherhood of trying to make things work, not tear them down. I have had dealings with many of the members and find them honest. Sure there are a few to watch in any organization. My last inspection, frame#s turned into a social visit as these inspectors can spot a crook at a glance.

Dom