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  • Richard M.
    Super Moderator
    • August 31, 1988
    • 11323

    #16
    Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

    My machine shop called yesterday and we did a few dozen tools today. I ran the CNC machine too. I'll have some in Lakeland.

    Pics & video later...

    Rich

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    • Richard M.
      Super Moderator
      • August 31, 1988
      • 11323

      #17
      Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

      Made the first batch this afternoon. A few photos of the process on a Methods Slant 50 CNC at my local machine shop. We start with a 6 foot length of 1/2" Stainless Steel rod.

      I was the operator for part of the machining. I drilled the pull-holes on a Bridgeport, then ran the CNC for the ID drilling operation.

      The turret was setup with the turning bit to size the diameter from 1/2 stock to the correct size, the knurling tool for 1/2 of the tools length, and finally the cutoff tool to cut to length.

      Once this operation was complete, I drilled the pull-holes, then the CNC was setup again for the ID to be drilled to size.

      First a special bit to shave the cutoff tip leftover from that operation and also to start a center for the final ID drill. Then the turret would swing to drill the 1.3" hole depth in the end of the tool. After this step the tool fabrication was complete.

      Here's a video of that operation.


      Photos.......

      The turret, which rotates the tooling for each operation.
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      This was after turning to size, the knurling, and the cutoff complete.
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      I drilled the holes for the puller tool on a Bridgeport.
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      Here are the completed parts. The 2nd CNC operation showing the 2 bits in the turret.
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      When I get back from Lakeland I'll get in touch with all of you that contacted me for trials testing. I have met that limit.

      Rich
      Last edited by Richard M.; January 20, 2015, 09:33 PM.

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      • Richard M.
        Super Moderator
        • August 31, 1988
        • 11323

        #18
        Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

        For those that requested a trial tool, you will receive your tool in the mail this week or early next week. Please note I have enough of you that signed up for the trials.

        Please provide me with feedback when you use it. I'll include some instructions. You have to provide the fasteners, the soapy solution, the insertion device, and the pull tool.

        Today if I get time, I'm planning to install the firewall insulation on a '59 I have here. There are 11 fasteners. I'm going to try to video the event.

        I plan to load 11 fasteners in 11 tools, then by myself see how fast I can do the job. I hope to get it done in less than one minute.

        Rich
        p.s. I met several of you at the Regional in Lakeland. I'm glad I had them with me to hand one to you.

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        • Mike M.
          NCRS Past President
          • May 31, 1974
          • 8381

          #19
          Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

          thanks again richard for the tool. as soon as i use it, i'll provide feedback but i'm certain it'll surpass my previous tools. and this tool doesn't need a buddy to give me a hand. mike

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          • Mike E.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • February 28, 1975
            • 5137

            #20
            Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

            Rich,
            I would like to buy one when they are available.
            Mike

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            • Richard M.
              Super Moderator
              • August 31, 1988
              • 11323

              #21
              Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

              Originally posted by Mike McCagh (14)
              thanks again richard for the tool. as soon as i use it, i'll provide feedback but i'm certain it'll surpass my previous tools. and this tool doesn't need a buddy to give me a hand. mike
              It was good seeing you over the weekend Mike. Yes any feedback pos or neg is appreciated. Thanks.

              Originally posted by Mike Ernst (211)
              Rich,
              I would like to buy one when they are available.
              Mike
              Hi Mike, please PM or email your full contact info to me.

              BTW, I was at the gate when you came in the other day in Lakeland at the SnF Regional, and after you started to drive off into the facility, I caught your name tag but I had others behind you to direct. I wish i had a minute to greet you personally. Maybe next year if you come back.

              Rich

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              • Patrick B.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • August 31, 1985
                • 1995

                #22
                Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                Originally posted by Mike McCagh (14)
                thanks again richard for the tool. as soon as i use it, i'll provide feedback but i'm certain it'll surpass my previous tools. and this tool doesn't need a buddy to give me a hand. mike
                Mike: Will you have the tool long enough for me to use it on on my 67 at Zane's?

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                • Mike M.
                  NCRS Past President
                  • May 31, 1974
                  • 8381

                  #23
                  Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                  pat: the tool was a gift. richard would not take anything in spite of my offering. its what ncrs is all about. i'll take the tool to zanes next time i go down. he has our 396 coupe painted so i'll be heading there soon. mike

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                  • Stephen G.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • January 1, 2002
                    • 304

                    #24
                    Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                    Sorry I missed seeing it in Lakeland. I'd love to get one too when you have them for sale.

                    Thanks

                    Steve
                    Steve Gansky
                    Newtown, (Bucks County) PA

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                    • Richard M.
                      Super Moderator
                      • August 31, 1988
                      • 11323

                      #25
                      Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                      Steve, I got your PM after I deleted some messages in there. It filled up recently.

                      Rich

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                      • Richard M.
                        Super Moderator
                        • August 31, 1988
                        • 11323

                        #26
                        Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                        Late this afternoon I did my experiment using 11 tools loaded with the fasteners.

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                        Here they are all loaded into the insulation and firewall.
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                        Firewall view showing the positions.
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                        These are tucked in the wheel well up high.
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                        Here are photos of them installed.
                        Outside....
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                        Inside....
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                        Here is a video of the sequence. I had one that slipped off where the insulation is overlapped. I realize now that if too much soapy solution is used it won't stretch the rubber enough to reach the doubled up attach points.

                        I think it worked out to about 4 or 5 minutes total time to do this job.

                        Rich

                        Last edited by Richard M.; January 27, 2015, 06:17 AM.

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                        • Donald H.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • November 2, 2009
                          • 2580

                          #27
                          Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                          Rich,

                          Have you decided on a price and an order process? I am also interested in the tool.

                          Don
                          Don Harris
                          Current: 67 convertible Marina Blue L79
                          Former: 60 Red/Red, 2x4, 245hp (Regional and National Top Flight 2013), 66 coupe Nassau Blue, L79 (Chapter and Regional Top Flight 2017)

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                          • Kenn S.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • September 10, 2009
                            • 173

                            #28
                            Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                            Me as well. I'm just the the point I'm installing the insulation...
                            -Kenn
                            1970 LS-5
                            1970 350/300
                            1980 L-48
                            2004 LS-1

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                            • Luis R.
                              Frequent User
                              • August 31, 2002
                              • 43

                              #29
                              Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                              Hi Rich

                              I am also interested in the tool. Please let me know how mush is the price,

                              Thanks Luis

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                              • Richard M.
                                Super Moderator
                                • August 31, 1988
                                • 11323

                                #30
                                Re: New Tool - Firewall Insulation Fastener Installation

                                My machine shop is getting a cost for me, which is based on quantity, etc. Once I get that I can set it. It should be very reasonable.

                                Primarily I plan to sell them via the Classifieds Section here on the NCRS site, and maybe other venues as time permits.

                                Thanks for all of the interest. When I get more made I will let everyone know. Those that have contacted me will get theirs for trials testing. I have to make up kits with instructions and hope to have it done soon. I have your info in my saved list.

                                Please remember it's policy here to NOT sell directly in this venue, so for now please be patient, and when I get a adequate stock of tools for sale I will post info here and provide a link to the Classifieds section.

                                Thanks,
                                Rich

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