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  • Jim S.
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    • August 31, 2001
    • 730

    #16
    Re: 1967 steering column ID help

    I would like to comment on Kurt Neiman's original picture of his flexible coupling assembly in his early December 1966 built C2.
    First of all, 1967 was the first year for energy absorbing steering columns with collapsible steering shafts. General Motors (and Saginaw) were quickly learning about the dynamics of this new steering column and its reaction with the flexible steering shaft coupling assembly.

    From information provided by some Saginaw engineering drawings (and revision information) along with Joe Lucia's service info this is what I can figure out on the flexible coupling history.

    The original flexible coupling assembly in the 1967-68 (C2/C3) was 5699250. It had short rivets (not long ones as shown in Kurt's picture.) Saginaw updated that coupling assembly to include long rivets 8-24-67 (way after Kurt's build date).

    The original assembly ..9250 also had attaching bolts with conventional hex heads. Kurt's picture shows attaching bolts with round projections (extentions) above the hex heads.

    The original assembly ..9250 had rubber rivet caps for a short period of time. They were added on 1-24-66 and removed on 3-21-67. Again, drawing revision dates are not production dates. You might expect that rivet caps were included at start of 1967 production and were removed sometime mid year. Probably Kurt's assembly should have those rivet caps.

    Now according to Joe Lucia's information, a somewhat different coupling assembly (7806391) was introduced in 1969. This assembly was specified for service back to 1967 and 1968. Kurt's picture is most likely the 7806391 assembly. It has long rivets and attaching bolts with hex head extentions. Rivet caps were never part of this assembly.

    The intent of the rivets was to provide a mechanical overlap with the column flange and always provide a metal to metal steering link from steering column to steering gear.

    The longer rivets and bolts with head extentions were introduced in 1969 and specified for earlier service when it was discovered that the new collapsible steering shaft could retract back into the steering column (during minor frontal collisions) and would pull on the flexible coupling causing the rivets to lose engagement with the column flange. The extended head bolts also added to this metal to metal safety condition.

    This 1968-69 manual steering gear assembly drawing shows an updated flexible coupling assembly with bolts with extended heads and long rivets. Those are not rubber rivet caps on the rivets. They are plastic alignment spacers that were to assist St. Louis in aligning the steering column to the steering gear. Those plastic spacers were to be removed after steering column installation.

    So from my information, Kurt does not have an original flexible coupling assembly but a service part. And yes, it should be replaced ASAP. One last comment on the picture. You can see obvious wear on the rivet itself. (Also some probable wear on the column flange.) From my experience, this type wear is not caused by "horsing" around with manual steering. This type of wear is always the result of the steering column being misaligned to the steering gear. This also causes rapid deterioration of the laminated rubber and cotton cloth disc in the coupling assembly.

    Jim

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    • Brian M.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • February 1, 1997
      • 1838

      #17
      Re: 1967 steering column ID help

      Early design in VIN 7471.

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      • R N.
        Expired
        • May 31, 2002
        • 640

        #18
        Re: 1967 steering column ID help

        Jim,

        THANK you for a very complete explanation on my coupler (Rag-joint) and a very thorough detail of the rag-joints overall.

        As a side note, my '67 was hit hard in it's early life on the front passenger side (frame damage, etc.) and this may explain why the mystery steering column that I have. Whomever repaired the car in the day was being thrift and did make repairs by using used parts (original '63 radiator) home-made radiator shroud pieced together, etc. and some other non-factory parts. So not knowing what was done to the steering column will remain a mystery for now.....

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        • Doug M.
          Frequent User
          • January 1, 1991
          • 68

          #19
          Re: 1967 steering column ID help

          Kurt,Early design # 08599Doug

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          • R N.
            Expired
            • May 31, 2002
            • 640

            #20
            Re: 1967 steering column ID help

            Hi Everyone,

            Tonight I got some me time in the garage and I removed the clamp on the steering column...... No groove (see photos below). Hopefully these new photos may aid it the ID of my column

            On another note, I read in the judging manual that they didn't start to date the bottom of the directional signal housing until January 1967 and this was done on the second design columns. So here's another questions.... I have a dated directional signal housing (dated 339 6) but based on my VIN (05818) I should has the first design steering column.

            Having said aid that, I know my car was in a crash in its earlier life - so maybe whomever did the repairs installed the column that was available which would of been the second design. Thoughts????
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            • R N.
              Expired
              • May 31, 2002
              • 640

              #21
              Re: 1967 steering column ID help

              Originally posted by Doug McClure (18547)
              Kurt,Early design # 08599Doug
              Doug,

              Does your steering column have a date stamp on the directional signal housing? (Page 35 of judging manual)

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              • Ralph E.
                Expired
                • February 1, 2002
                • 905

                #22
                Re: 1967 steering column ID help

                Originally posted by Timothy Barbieri (6542)
                Here is the early style column on my 67 convertible, your rag joint is not safe.
                Tim, what happened to that voltage regulator? Does it still work?

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                • Timothy B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 30, 1983
                  • 5186

                  #23
                  Re: 1967 steering column ID help

                  Ralph,

                  It the original and never been off the car, seems to work fine. I guess I should get a new cap.. :-)

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                  • Sean B.
                    Infrequent User
                    • June 23, 2014
                    • 1

                    #24
                    Re: 1967 steering column ID help

                    looking at my 67 427 vin.9899 i have the same spring like yours in the engine bay not in the interior side of the firewall....car was 02/06/67 build date....i'm in the process of fixing the turn signal....not far enough to have a stamp date on column...no pic as camera battery dead (typical) so like you am curious as to what i have

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                    • Gary J.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • April 3, 2008
                      • 153

                      #25
                      New England Chapter NCRS

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                      • Greg H.
                        Expired
                        • June 30, 1985
                        • 105

                        #26
                        Re: 1967 steering column ID help

                        Hi Kurt,
                        You have a late column, The photo is a Mid-Mach 67.

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