Vintage Racing Gone Wrong

[Paul L.]

Get out the Rolaids. Your stomach may not like these pics.

http://www.pbase.com/atrltd/bric2005

[Terry D.]

OUCH *NM*

[Clem Z.]

looks like a case of

too much money and not enought talent.

[Donald O.]

Re: Vintage Racing Gone Wrong

More money than brains

[William C.]

AMEN! *NM*

[Loren L.]

Just in case anyone wonders why Steve

Earle has the rule "You make contact, you're gone for 13 months.". I also recall Rich Mason's story about Steamboat Springs in the late 90's - "Crazy? Loren, we had 4 accidents on the COURSE ORIENTATION lap.".
Steamboat no longer exists as a vintage race.

[Jerry S.]

Re: What happened?

I started racing at Elhart lake in 1955 and have seen people killed but never saw this many cars in one accident. Who knows the details? My comments, Steve wishes he had a track like this to run his event. Road America is a great high speed track.

[Jack W.]

Re: What happened?

Happened at the Brian Redmond Int'l Challenge this past weekend, not sure whether it was the feature Historic race or some earlier session that gave rise to this incident, more pics available at the Road America site:

http://www.roadamerica.com/2005/images/races/bric/bric_05/bric%20tweaked/index.html

[Michael H.]

Re: What happened?

What a shame. Hope everyone's ok. I know a lot of those people. Looks like Bill Morrisons son Brian in the #76 car. Also, looks like the black 67 I drove in 1990, #71.

1990 was my last year of vintage racing and I saw this coming even then. Money does NOT buy talent and common sense.

[Jerry S.]

Re: What happened?

I was told that as they came up the hill the leaders took off, no green flag so other drivers hit their brakes and the pictures show what happened.

[Michael H.]

Re: What happened?

That sounds right. With all the cars involved, it had to be at the start when the field was bunched.

Earlier, there were more pic's at the Road America site but I see they have been removed now. In one shot, a yellow 63-67 car was barely visible under a Camaro and some other car. That could be the Bill Morrison #77 car. Hope he's ok.

[Jack W.]

Re: What happened?

you can barely see the yellow car in this one remaining pic on the RA site:

[Jack W.]

sorry, try this *NM*

[mike cobine]

13/13 and 7/10ths

The rules of 13/13 and 7/10ths were in vintage racing for a long time.

Have an incident, 13 months probation. Have another in that 13 months, 13 month suspension.

The 7/10ths was a guide, you were supposed to race at 7/10ths of the potential. However, two many ignored this and complained that his 7/10ths was faster than my 7/10ths. Today, you mention 7/10ths at a vintage race and no one has a clue. They are racing 105%.

The sad part is that when these cars were new, the drivers went through much more training, ran much less horsepower, and they died.

These guys today build NASCAR horsepower into what were often factory stock cars and wonder why they get into trouble.

My favorite "smart person" was a few years ago at Sebring who didn't have a clue that F5000 meant the engine was restricted to 5000 cc, not a 355 built in North Carolina. (We used to see several NC built engines down here in Florida club races.)

[mike cobine]

Re: looks like a case of

During the Drivers Schools at Moroso, I encountered many like this. Lots of money, lots of ego, not enough talent to walk across the Turn 5 two-board bridge over the ditch to their cars.

Some of the worse, sad to say, were those who had gone to the professional schools who had their egoes pumped even higher because they had gone to _____ _____ School. The most obnoxious ones I encountered came from BB.

There used to be a sticker for motorcycle helmets - $15,000 and 15 miles don't you a biker. Same with racing.