Nicb Vs Ncrs

[Philip C.]

Hi does anyone else have different dealer info from NICB than GMs NCRS dealer data? Had my car checked in 1998 and again in 2005 and got the same dealer information from two different people in two different states.??? Phil 8063

[Ronald L.]

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Phil,

Think of this as two sets of books, same cars, one set of books kept by NICB and the other GM, IMHO.

""HOW"" did you have your car checked because they don't just do this for anyone?

[Roy S.]

Re: Nicb Vs Ncrs

Hi does anyone else have different dealer info from NICB than GMs NCRS dealer data? Had my car checked in 1998 and again in 2005 and got the same dealer information from two different people in two different states.??? Phil 8063

Phil,

I'm not sure who interpreted or supplied your NICB information.

We have just checked your VIN information again based on this continuing thread and can confirm the information supplied to you in our report agrees with the information we have obtained through GM.

[Ian S.]

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Same thing for me. NICB info said my car was delivered to a dealer in Montana and even had the date of delivery which was 2 days after the car was built. The dealer was still in business with the same owner who was in his 90's. Not only did he say they never sold a Vette back then but they weren't even a Chevy dealer until three years after my car was built.

NCRS info says Denver CO for my car and I trust that as correct based on my contact with the Montana dealer.

[Philip C.]

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Thank you Roy for double checking, I would say then if someone has gotten their info from NICB they Should now get the data from NCRS because their info from NICB maybe wrong and now have new correct info to go on. Ian and I may have beening going down the wrong road for a long time. Phil 8063

[Jim C.]

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Hmmmm...... Interesting stuff. Very recently, I had my 1966 checked through NICB records, and there was no record found. My VIN is 27592. NICB records for 1966 production ended at VIN 27589 - just three cars short of my VIN. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. Basically, the last 132 Corvettes for 1966 are missing from NICB's data. Just to test their system, I also ran the VIN for another 1966 Corvette that I previously owned. I had all the original documents with that car, including the dealership name. The NICB records were completely accurate and had the dealership data right.

Since I could not find any info at NICB pertaining to my current Corvette, I admit I was a little concerned that the NCRS might come up empty too. Fortunately, the NCRS records were able to provide me with the name of the dealership. From that whole scenario, I can only conclude that the NICB and the NCRS are operating with two completely different sets of records and there may be missing records, and some conflicting data in both sets.

Ultimately, it would be VERY interesting to compare the two sets side by side, one VIN at a time. Who knows, maybe any missing records in one would be found in the other. Inaccuracies/conflicting data might be identified too, possibly suggesting late dealer trades, etc. depending on when such records were actually generated. It's all fascinating to me.

Jim C.

[Philip C.]

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Hi Jim THANK YOU for jumping in with that, I hope more people come forward so we all can get to a understanding of all this. I always try to keep an open mind, because you learn something new everyday. Phil 8063

[Keith L.]

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It would be nice to see if my 70 shows up in the NICB data since it does not in the NCRS shipping reports. I can't be sure what the last digit of the dealer code is on my tank sticker.

[Jim C.]

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Keith,

It would be nice if NICB would at least share their information with the old / antique / collector car hobby for reasons such as yours. Unless I'm wrong (and very well could be), I don't think there's any legal basis for the NICB to withhold their information. I think the problem comes when they are inundated with requests for data from not only Corvette owners, but potentially ALL owners of old cars from the early 1960s and forward in time. They probably just don't want to deal with the hassle. Maybe if there was some sort of mechanism in place where they could charge for the search, the idea would be more attractive to them. The NCRS is charging for the service, and I haven't heard any complaints about it. I think people would gladly pay for the NICB service too.

As I understand it, there are a few NICB locations scattered around the country. Maybe five or six. One of those locations is in the Chicago area, relatively close to my residence and very close to my work. Although the NCRS now has its own set of records, it would be nice if the NICB would allow a person from the "Corvette world" to come to one of their offices, perhaps someone in law enforcement who is also involved in the Corvette hobby, to search their records on behalf of other Corvette owners who, like you, were unable to get anything from the NCRS. It would be like a back up plan. The primary source would be the NCRS data, and the NICB data would be used only in cases where no NCRS record existed. When a particular car's VIN was not in the NCRS data, it could be confirmed by an NCRS official (Roy??? I guess) and then passed along to the "NCRS ambassador to the NICB" for a second check. Maybe something would be found, or maybe not.

To make this work, there would have to be some sort of official memorandum of understanding between the NICB and the NCRS, laying out the terms and conditions pertaining to the search of NICB records. Specifically, that NICB records would not be searched unless NCRS records were lacking, and the records would be searched by one designated individual having the authority of both organizations. I'm sure there would be other concerns and issues to hammer out, but if upper management from both entities could come together on this, anything could happen. Just a thought.........

Jim C.

By the way, I'd be interested in the "ambassadorship" if this ever came to pass.

[Gary C.]

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Jim, nice thought. Business question NCIB would have is; "what's in it for NCIB?". Gary....

[Vinnie P.]

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Back when I was VP in 1998 or 1999, on two separate occasions I initiated contact with NICB and on both occasions offered to set up some type of fee schedule where our members would pay for their service. Both letters, about 6 or 8 months apart went unanswered.

[Jim C.]

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Gary,

Like I said, there would certainly be issues to hammer out, like compensation for instance. But if things were done "officially," a procedure would be in place where the NCRS would notify the NICB that NCRS records were insufficient for a particular VIN, and then request that NICB records be searched. A designated NCRS representative/ambassador could physically search NICB records. If a positive record was found at NICB, then the information would be forwarded back to the NCRS, and a letter would be sent to the vehicle owner - just like the letters owners are getting now from Roy. The letter could qualify the fact that the info came from the NICB. NCRS could then forward the $40 dollar service fee to the NICB. If no data is found at NICB, then the owner gets his/her money back.

I'm not a businessman, but I'm sure there's some way of setting up an efficient system to transfer money, etc. I don't really know the mechanics of setting something like this up. I guess I'm an "idea guy." I have no clue how to implement any of this. I only suggest that an NCRS representative do the searching for purposes of eliminating any "imposition" on NICB employees if there were many searches to conduct. An NCRS representative to the NICB might also get the search done in a more timely manner. Searching for info on old Corvette VINs might not receive top billing when NICB employees have other more important business priorities to consider. An NRCS representative (with a little initial training on how to search NICB records) could go to NICB, search the records and leave. No hassle to NICB employees who are working on other matters.

I know, I know, this is all just "pie in the sky" thinking on my part. I'm sure there are ALL sorts of legal issues and other matters that I'm not even considering. I'm interested in promoting the history of Corvettes, even if it's just one car at a time. If the NICB records can fill in some of the gaps in the NCRS records, then I support any effort to make that happen, and I'm willing to participate in the process.

Jim C.

[Jim C.]

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Vinnie,

Obviously you were WAY ahead of me. I like the way you think!!! Your letters went out over a decade ago. Maybe NICB management has changed, maybe a lot of things have changed in 10+ years. Maybe time for another letter. It doesn't hurt to ask.

Jim C.

[Gary J.]

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Never seen a NICB report, I would like to know what is on the sheet? Just curious is all. Would a list of all the owners be on that list since the car was new?

[Dick W.]

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Vinnie,

Obviously you were WAY ahead of me. I like the way you think!!! Your letters went out over a decade ago. Maybe NICB management has changed, maybe a lot of things have changed in 10+ years. Maybe time for another letter. It doesn't hurt to ask.

Jim C.

Since the advent of the super privacy laws, you will not get any info, lucky if you get a reply. Without an official request from a law enforcement agency and a case number, any information request will fall on deaf ears.