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  • Gene M.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • March 31, 1985
    • 4232

    Trim/VIN tag issues

    The Corvettes mainly mid years have been plagued with concerns of bogus ID plates. The switching of real tags is even more difficult to uncover as the forgers get better at covering up the deceit. There has been revisions in the quality of the bogus tags but even of late I see easy to detect flaws. As we share the sightings it is apparent the forgers read here and make revisions to their dirty work. I wonder if others such as Tri Five Chevy, baby birds and early Mustang's & Camaro's have ID tag issues as the Mid year Corvettes experience.
  • Carl N.
    Expired
    • April 30, 1984
    • 592

    #2
    Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

    Fake tags happen with MoPars, especially Hemi's, 6 pack 440's and 426 wedge cars.

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    • Edward M.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • October 31, 1985
      • 1916

      #3
      Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

      Originally posted by Gene Manno (8571)
      The Corvettes mainly mid years have been plagued with concerns of bogus ID plates. The switching of real tags is even more difficult to uncover as the forgers get better at covering up the deceit. There has been revisions in the quality of the bogus tags but even of late I see easy to detect flaws. As we share the sightings it is apparent the forgers read here and make revisions to their dirty work. I wonder if others such as Tri Five Chevy, baby birds and early Mustang's & Camaro's have ID tag issues as the Mid year Corvettes experience.
      Absolutely.

      And the ultra expensive European cars are even worse. Old Porsches, Ferraris, etc.

      That is a real mess.

      I guess we should consider ourselves fortunate.

      Back in 1988 or so, I was talking with a guy at Bloomington that had a real nice 67 435 car. This was when prices were "up there" and guys were flying into the meet in helicopters with briefcases full of cash to buy (i.e. the speculators were running rampant in the Corvette community).

      I complemented this guy on his car. He replied "It is just junk with value". He was a big time player in the classic Ferrari (think seven figures), and got into the Corvettes when this market exploded.

      Haven't seen him since then.

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      • Steven B.
        Very Frequent User
        • April 11, 2012
        • 233

        #4
        Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

        I'm guessin' that you'd be reasonably safe with a base car with few options. Anyone seen anything oddball with lower profile cars?

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        • Michael J.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • January 26, 2009
          • 7075

          #5
          Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

          Nope, and they are great driving cars, people should be satisfied with those anyway, right?
          Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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          • Steven B.
            Very Frequent User
            • April 11, 2012
            • 233

            #6
            Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

            I know that my '67 is very original and I'm very satisfied.

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            • John L.
              Very Frequent User
              • November 30, 1997
              • 409

              #7
              Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

              I never understood what the big deal was. A trim tag only designates Ext color, Int color and material. It does not designate engine, transmission etc. Yeah I know, a black car with red interior is more desirable than a white car with black interior. You can get a top flight with a resto engine, different transmission and other non original parts but god forbid you should have a repro trim tag -- you will be deemed a leper.

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              • Richard M.
                Super Moderator
                • August 31, 1988
                • 11302

                #8
                Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

                Yes Porsche too as Ed said above..... I just found that out a few weeks ago.

                Auctions America had a dirty old 1957 barn find at the Hilton Head Concours Saturday auction. Yikes!
                Attached Files

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                • Keith B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • September 15, 2014
                  • 1575

                  #9
                  Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

                  Originally posted by John Lolli (29875)
                  I never understood what the big deal was. A trim tag only designates Ext color, Int color and material. It does not designate engine, transmission etc. Yeah I know, a black car with red interior is more desirable than a white car with black interior. You can get a top flight with a resto engine, different transmission and other non original parts but god forbid you should have a repro trim tag -- you will be deemed a leper.
                  when talking about 67 and St Louis vs. Smith tags and throw in ECL codes it's a whole new ballgame.

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                  • Kenneth B.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • August 31, 1984
                    • 2084

                    #10
                    Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

                    I saw many Tbirds with full size Ford trim/vin tags.
                    65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
                    What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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                    • William F.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • June 9, 2009
                      • 1354

                      #11
                      Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

                      As I understand it, T Bird folks don't think it's a big deal to paint a car different color from what it came with or change interior colors or get a trim tag to correspond to changes. Different from us NCRS people. Changing the VIN would be different, though, illegal isn't it?

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                      • Kenneth B.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • August 31, 1984
                        • 2084

                        #12
                        Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

                        I believe the VIN # was also on the trim tag like my 63 Ford along with the engine, rear end & tranny code. The VIN plate was welded on the cowl on the drip rail.
                        65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
                        What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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                        • William F.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • June 9, 2009
                          • 1354

                          #13
                          Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

                          Right. On early T Birds, VIN, color, tranny codes all on one plate. Saw add for getting a new plate made up with correct VIN but as you like for different color ,if you changed color, etc. Talking just T birds.

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                          • Jim S.
                            Expired
                            • March 13, 2013
                            • 360

                            #14
                            Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

                            [QUOTE=John Lolli (29875);789337]I never understood what the big deal was. A trim tag only designates Ext color, Int color and material. It does not designate engine, transmission etc. Yeah I know, a black car with red interior is more desirable than a white car with black interior. You can get a top flight with a resto engine, different transmission and other non original parts but god forbid you should have a repro trim tag -- you will be deemed a leper.[/QUOTE6:

                            It's feasible to Top Flight with a color change, why would it ever be necessary to add a fake trim tag?

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                            • John L.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • November 30, 1997
                              • 409

                              #15
                              Re: Trim/VIN tag issues

                              Yes, it is possible however highly unlikely. Since it is possible -- why even bother to make such an issue over the trim tag. One might install a reproduction trim tag if their car, for whatever reason, did not have one. Again, the only thing the tag really indicates is ext color and int color and material. Yes, one could change the ECL codes as well, however the big thing is color. An original trim tag will not validate a BB car that was originally a SB if that is the major concern

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