Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

[Chris E.]

I'm wondering if anyone has a picture of an ORIGINAL radiator core support for a 67 350 horse car. I'm curious to see the "waffle pattern".

[Mike M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Hi Chris
Are you speaking of the grip marks that remained after forming the metal?
If so it would be pretty tough to see in a photo, on the computer screen,
unless someone has a ton of megapixels and the capacity for extreme clarity and massive enlargement (Let's hope).
Presence of those marks were fairly faint and erratic, hard to see and are typically more predominant on BB core supports.
The misnomer term "waffle" is used, but, the indentations were actually in reverse, left from the points of the grid of the forming jaws. Like the head of a framing hammer. They are approximately 7/8", but, not a perfect circle.
HaND

[Gene M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

I think the marks you are speaking of are refered to as "cat paw" marks in the sheet metal trade.

[Chris E.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

I lost a point for it at regionals, so I was just curious what the heck they look like. I think I have the original core support in my car, but it has since been stripped and painted. If the marks are that faint, it doesn't surprise me that I couldn't see them.

[Gene M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Chris,
They are about .015" deep. Depends on the force set on the press when manufactured.

I would guess repeated painting has covered over most of them. Cat paw marks are seen on most core supports. I can't say about repops.

[Brian M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Let's hear the description of that deductuion.

[Chris E.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Let's hear the description of that deductuion.

Chassis Section, Engine Cooling Subsection, "Core Support" line item.

5 points originality, 4 points condition.

1 originality point taken.

"No waffle marks" as text.

[Ray G.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Chassis Section, Engine Cooling Subsection, "Core Support" line item.

5 points originality, 4 points condition.

1 originality point taken.

"No waffle marks" as text.

Hello;
Anyone else like to see a "Black Hat" judges opinion of this deduction ?
Ray

[Chuck M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Chassis Section, Engine Cooling Subsection, "Core Support" line item.

5 points originality, 4 points condition.

1 originality point taken.

"No waffle marks" as text.

We had the same deduction at the Florida meet this past January.

[Jim S.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

I'm wondering if anyone has a picture of an ORIGINAL radiator core support for a 67 350 horse car. I'm curious to see the "waffle pattern".

If they are also on a 66 , and you tell me where to look for them , Iwill try getting a pic.
My body is stripped and sitting on a dolly, so now would be the time .

Jim

[Brian M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

I am unaware of any waffle pattern on the radiator support, radiator hose yes, support no, but I do learn something new everyday. .

[Gary S.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

I have at least four original 67 small block radiator supports. All have the waffle marks, (clamp marks?) at the top. Mine represent early to late cars (vin 18xx to 195xx). I think some early repro supports did not have these marks but now are being made with them. The waffle marks have varying degrees of impression in the metal with some almost hard to see. The one in the pictures attached shows five on the front and there are five matching ones on the back side for a total of 10. If none can be seen on the back side, a mirror helps to see the front side when in the car or judging.

The waffle marks are also on original 66/67 427 radiator supports I have.

Another issue on repros supports: All original 327 and 427 radiator supports I have looked at have some type of manufacturing lines in the top and bottom of the metal where the bends are. The repro's I have and have looked at do not have these lines. I am sure someone knows the reason and terminology. Pictures of 327 and a 427 radiator support showing the lines are attached.

Hope this helps. Gary

[Brian M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Great pictures, I learned something new.

I have at least four original 67 small block radiator supports. All have the waffle marks, (clamp marks?) at the top. Mine represent early to late cars (vin 18xx to 195xx). I think some early repro supports did not have these marks but now are being made with them. The waffle marks have varying degrees of impression in the metal with some almost hard to see. The one in the pictures attached shows five on the front and there are five matching ones on the back side for a total of 10. If none can be seen on the back side, a mirror helps to see the front side when in the car or judging.

The waffle marks are also on original 66/67 427 radiator supports I have.

Another issue on repros supports: All original 327 and 427 radiator supports I have looked at have some type of manufacturing lines in the top and bottom of the metal where the bends are. The repro's I have and have looked at do not have these lines. I am sure someone knows the reason and terminology. Pictures of 327 and a 427 radiator support showing the lines are attached.

Hope this helps. Gary

[John H.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

The waffle marks have varying degrees of impression in the metal with some almost hard to see. The one in the pictures attached shows five on the front and there are five matching ones on the back side for a total of 10. All original 327 and 427 radiator supports I have looked at have some type of manufacturing lines in the top and bottom of the metal where the bends are. I am sure someone knows the reason and terminology.

Gary -

The "waffle marks" are from the contact pads on the pneumatic clamps on the welding fixture, and the "lines" are tool marks from the draw die that formed the upper channel section.

[Mike M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Great shots, Gary!
Just what we needed.
Thank you and HaND