Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

[Ray G.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

I have at least four original 67 small block radiator supports. All have the waffle marks, (clamp marks?) at the top. Mine represent early to late cars (vin 18xx to 195xx). I think some early repro supports did not have these marks but now are being made with them. The waffle marks have varying degrees of impression in the metal with some almost hard to see. The one in the pictures attached shows five on the front and there are five matching ones on the back side for a total of 10. If none can be seen on the back side, a mirror helps to see the front side when in the car or judging.

The waffle marks are also on original 66/67 427 radiator supports I have.

Another issue on repros supports: All original 327 and 427 radiator supports I have looked at have some type of manufacturing lines in the top and bottom of the metal where the bends are. The repro's I have and have looked at do not have these lines. I am sure someone knows the reason and terminology. Pictures of 327 and a 427 radiator support showing the lines are attached.

Hope this helps. Gary

Hello Gary;
Great post and pictures.
With the statement from the above:
"The waffle marks have varying degrees of impression in the metal with some almost hard to see."
Is it your opinion some original core support tool marks not being present would make the radiator core support Not Typical Production? Or is it possible for a Typical Production radiator core support not to have visible tool marks?
Thanks you for your great work.
Ray

[Gary S.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Hello Gary;
Great post and pictures.
With the statement from the above:
"The waffle marks have varying degrees of impression in the metal with some almost hard to see."
Is it your opinion some original core support tool marks not being present would make the radiator core support Not Typical Production? Or is it possible for a Typical Production radiator core support not to have visible tool marks?
Thanks you for your great work.
Ray

Thanks to Mr. Hinckley for explaining how the waffle marks and manufacturing lines got there. I think the repro guys are putting the waffle marks in after many made without, so as a judge, given there are probably 10 waffle marks possible, you would expect to find at least one. After a careful look/see, if a judge can't find at least one, than it seems a deduct for lack of typical production is in order. It could be a situation where the support is real, but the waffle marks may have been sanded out (in error) or the support is heavily painted, or.....so, not typical production. My support here has five waffle marks on the rear (motor side) and five matching on front. On my other three, I could easily find many waffle marks. Using a mirror between the hood and support, you can check the front if none seen on the rear. Here is a picture I took into the mirror of the mark. I think you would be hard pressed not to find at least one of the 10 clamp marks.

Beyond that, determining if the radiator support is original would require looking at the construction and in particular the manufacturing lines. I have an older (10 years) but new repro 65 support on my shelf and it has no waffle marks and no manufacturing lines like the originals.

[Mike M.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Right, Gary. It may not be easy, but, on production supports, I have always been able to see at least one of the clamp patterns.
Incidentally, those "Patterns" that I have seen added to the latest repops have not been entirely faithful to those on production pieces.
HaND

[Chris E.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Thanks guys. Much appreciated for the pictures, that was exactly what I needed. Doesn't look like I'll be duplicating THAT anytime soon.....

[Ridge K.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

My original, no-hit bodied '67 big block car has these marks.

I also own a spare NOS big block core support originally purchased sometime in the early 1970s, that also has them.
Ridge

[Ralph A.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

I have at least four original 67 small block radiator supports. All have the waffle marks, (clamp marks?) at the top. Mine represent early to late cars (vin 18xx to 195xx). I think some early repro supports did not have these marks but now are being made with them. The waffle marks have varying degrees of impression in the metal with some almost hard to see. The one in the pictures attached shows five on the front and there are five matching ones on the back side for a total of 10. If none can be seen on the back side, a mirror helps to see the front side when in the car or judging.

The waffle marks are also on original 66/67 427 radiator supports I have.

Another issue on repros supports: All original 327 and 427 radiator supports I have looked at have some type of manufacturing lines in the top and bottom of the metal where the bends are. The repro's I have and have looked at do not have these lines. I am sure someone knows the reason and terminology. Pictures of 327 and a 427 radiator support showing the lines are attached.

Hope this helps. Gary

Hi Gary the first pic. you have, you have of a 327 350, I was told that that is not a small block but a big block is that right thanks Ralph

[Gary S.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

The first picture in my above post is a 67 small block support. I think you will find in 67 the radiator support for small and big blocks were made the same except for the bottom support brackets welded on. It appears to me both have the same holes...number, size, location. Of course the top is held differently, but there are six holes at the top for use in a 327 or 427. Thus the clamp marks are in the same position for 327 and 427 cars. Here are some more pictures...first two are 67 427 and 3rd is my 67 327/350 vin #1866. All are originals and all have clamp marks. Maybe someone knows some small detail I have missed.

67 427 Front 67 427 Back 67 327 Front
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[Ralph A.]

Re: Picture request - 67 350 horse rad core support

Hi does anyone have a close up pic. of a 65 small block with the waffle marks, 65 is different then 66 and 67 thanks