Exhaust system blackout

[Michael J.]

I had thought the entire exhaust system was blacked out on the '63-'64, including the heat shields. Anyone want to offer your experience on that? Thanks.

[Dick W.]

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I had thought the entire exhaust system was blacked out on the '63-'64, including the heat shields. Anyone want to offer your experience on that? Thanks.

I just had that discussion with another member. Rather than get into a peezing contest here, send me a message or email Michael.

[Stuart F.]

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Aw! Don't take this off line. I love to tell my story about crawling under my then new 63 without getting any blackout on me. Course I had just driven it from WI to NM (White Sands), and I didn't poke along after it had the first 1000 miles on it.

Stu Fox

[Tony S.]

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Michael. Here are some photos that I took at the 2012 Frisco Regional of an original, low mileage '64 exhaust system that was being offered for sale. Note the heavy blackout on the pipes and mufflers. I am also attaching a color photo taken on the assembly line at St. Louis for the '65 models. Note the heavy and obvious blackout paint on the exhaust pipes.

I've judged alot of original and restored C2's. My impression is that many of the '63 to '65 restored cars lack the factory blackout commonly applied during production.

Hope this helps further the discussion.
Tony

[Michael J.]

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Thanks guys, I guess I am remembering correctly that even the heat shields were blacked out.

[Edward J.]

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Michael. Here are some photos that I took at the 2012 Frisco Regional of an original, low mileage '64 exhaust system that was being offered for sale. Note the heavy blackout on the pipes and mufflers. I am also attaching a color photo taken on the assembly line at St. Louis for the '65 models. Note the heavy and obvious blackout paint on the exhaust pipes. I've judged alot of original and restored C2's. My impression is that many of the '63 to '65 restored cars lack the factory blackout commonly applied during production.Hope this helps further the discussion.Tony

Tony, I have spent a lot of time looking at this pic which I saved on my computer many months ago. I think the it should of really sparked some controversy. As from what I see is a total blackout of the exhaust, over spray in the brake hose, coil springs appear to be painted black, steering box appears to pained black. Steering linkage even appears to have some black out. Its to bad its only showing about 2/3 's of the chassis.

[Tony S.]

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Edward--that photo tells a good story. I wish we could see the rear suspension too. I'm confident that a color photo of the rear suspension would reveal alot of blackout there as well. We've documented several original cars with obvious blackout on the tops of half shafts, strut rods and other adjacent areas. Michael Hanson has been making this point for years, but I'm not sure how well the message is being received. When Marco Hartner, Gene Leonard and I recently re-wrote the new '65 chassis draft for the upcoming new '65 JG, we made sure to mention the chassis blackout.

[James W.]

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Tony,

Do you have this picture from the 1965 Road & Track Magazine article?

Thanks,

James West

[Tony S.]

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Hi James. I've never seen that photo before. It's a little fuzzy, but it seems to display blackout on about half of the strut rod. I can't tell if other visible blackout appears since the photo is not very clear. What do you see in your original photo?

Tony

[James W.]

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I see black out on the half-shaft.

Hi James. I've never seen that photo before. It's a little fuzzy, but it seems to display blackout on about half of the strut rod. I can't tell if other visible blackout appears since the photo is not very clear. What do you see in your original photo?

Tony

[Tony S.]

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Good confirmation! That's what I would expect to see--thanks!

[Wayne M.]

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Hi James. I've never seen that photo before. It's a little fuzzy, but it seems to display blackout on about half of the strut rod. I can't tell if other visible blackout appears since the photo is not very clear. What do you see in your original photo?

Tony

Tony, others: here's another photo in a '64 road test article that has been posted before. It's one of Michael Hansen's favorites.

I also purhased a complete '64 rear end about 10 years ago, only used from Feb '64 thru 1968. The blackout sloppiness is amazing. (strut rods, trailing arms, half shafts, etc)



c

[Gene M.]

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I think you will find 63-64 are super covered in black out, every where....... The 65 with the disc brakes precluded the need for black out anywhere near the wheel backing plate and brake caliper. As the production when on the black seemed to disappear as seen in the 63-64 years. It got to the point of black out only the shine as seen under the car from the rear as in later mid years.

Just as a point of interest my early 65 with disc brake delete option didn't benefit from black out coverage as I would have preferred. Everything had more complete rust than I would expect than if a black out was present.

I know Mike Hanson and John Hinkley have put to type the situation on black out during their employment in past posts.

[Christopher P.]

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Out of curiosity, will the blackout issue have resolution/consensus prior to the Texas Regional Meet October? I own a former National Top Flight 63 SWC that has wonderfully mitted blackout. I mean it really looks terrific; perfect to match the exhaust/muffler description in the previous editions of the judging guide.

The most recent guide (6th edition) only states that the "external muffler surface is a galvanized steel coating"----- so no mention of the now taboo mitting but no mention of any other blackout either. There is also no mention of any blackout on the heat shields/etc.

I want to match what the judges want to see at the meet. I'm not out to take a stand or make a statement I just don't want a deduction.
So......do I use something to remove the mitted blackout and present with bare "galvanized steel" as in the judging guide or coat with blackout spray to match up with one of the period photos shown above?
Thanks for helping the new guy, CP

[Michael J.]

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I want to match what the judges want to see at the meet. I'm not out to take a stand or make a statement I just don't want a deduction.