See Enclosed.
Rich
p.s. Special thanks to fellow member Dave Zuberer for the PDF conversion
Rich
p.s. Special thanks to fellow member Dave Zuberer for the PDF conversion
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Re: 1956 to 1962 Side Window Seal/Fuzzy Repair Procedure
IMG_2018.jpgRichard and Dave....thank you for this excellent work.....saved for the day in the not so distant future.....Dino Lanno -
Re: 1956 to 1962 Side Window Seal/Fuzzy Repair Procedure
Thank you for the excellent work. As Dino said I will also be doing this work in the near future.Comment
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Glad it can help you guys.......
Lately I've done 4 cars using this procedure and after some trial and error came up with this method that works well for me. Hopefully you can follow along and have success. If you have any questions or confused about the process when you do yours feel free to ask.
This time I had the pieces on the work table so I could get more clear photos. Also the advantage of allowing me to show how the door post channels are installed as part of the process.
I have a procedure for the rear window channel felt replacement coming soon too. Dave Zuberer and I are working on that one. There are some issues with the reproduction felts available today, which in fact will not work well. It makes the window frames bind in the channels. I have a different felt material that works flawlessly.
I'm also restoring sideglass and frames using new sealing tape and lower sash seals which I'll also document. That procedure will be available in the near future as well.
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Rich, thanks so much for posting this. I have been fighting the exact same problems you write about, but you certainly have good solutions that I have not even thought about. I am interested in your rear run felt as I now have the repro stuff glued in and like you say it is too tight. I was able to install the repro lower sash rubber, but I will also tell you that was most difficult. It seems that almost none of this repro stuff fits or works worth a hoot.
I have also battled the side glass tape that you say a procedure is forthcoming. I could not make the repro tape work - just too thick. I found some thinner stuff locally that worked well. Also I am sure that you are aware that the frame channel width in earlier 56 -57 is narrower than in later C1s. Not sure when this change occurred, but I'm sure it was to make the fitment easier. Looking forward to your procedure.
Also not sure how you get the glass out of the frame, but I start it with squeeze clamps on the ends, then soak them in hot water, gently tugging and pulling and working them out. Seems to work and have not broken any glass yet.
Thanks again Rich,
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Re: 1956 to 1962 Side Window Seal/Fuzzy Repair Procedure
Hope it helps Dan. I've had great results using this method. The rear felt task is done and Dave Zuberer is doing the PDF presently. He and I have been working closely together on this and his skills with the Adobe S/W is really making my documentation easier. Much credit to Dave for his help.
Below are a few pics of the channels. Yup, the repro felt is only good for the '63'-67's as it's thick and made only for bare glass. It won't play with the framed windows. I use felt from a fabric store with a much tighter and thinner lining.
Here is the repro felt.When you try to slide the frame into the channel, this is as far as it goes.......
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Also notice it's not wide enough to cover the entire inside of the track. That's because it's designed only for the narrower midyear channels.....below
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Here is the fabric store felt that I use, showing how easy the frame slides through the channel.
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The finished channels. The upcoming procedure has some tricks to help with the installation.
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See this link for the Rear Channel document.....
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Here it is Dan, inside this new thread. The trick with the repro tape is lots of soapy water, a rubber mallet and in some cases a ratchet strap. As often is the case, reproduction parts require some "adjustments". (i.e. t-w-e-a-k-i-n-g)
Rich
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Re: 1956 to 1962 Side Window Seal/Fuzzy Repair Procedure
Thanks Rich,
Your procedure was similar to mine in several respects, but you did some things that I did not think of. One is the razor blade to break the tape loose from the glass. I just used hot soapy water (held it under the basement sink). That worked and took quite a bit of careful maneuvering, but it eventually they did come out. But I think your razor blade is a good idea and will try it if I have to do it again.
Assuming you will be doing this again, you might try using a plastic squeeze clamp to pull the glass into the frame. That worked well for me and might be better than using a tie-down strap.
Did you use the repro channel tape? I found it too thick, would not even start to go together, especially since the early frames are narrower than later C1s.
Going back to the rear channel run for a minute, can you tell me exactly what material you used from Jo-Ann Fabric? I am going to have to re-do mine.
Thanks again Rich,
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Re: 1956 to 1962 Side Window Seal/Fuzzy Repair Procedure
Hi Dan,
I'd fear that hot water could cause of cracking the glass. The razor blade works fine, it's just slow.
I used the ratchet strap so the webbing of the strap acted like a cushion on the SS frame so it wouldn't put concentrated stress on it and the sash which I feel a bar clamp could do, and the strap won't let you pull too tight. I put a small wooden block under the ratchet mechanism for safety. Usually, a rubber mallet and plenty of soapy water, with solid hits squarely on the edge of the glass works fine. That other window I show required some more "pull' to get the holes close enough for the awl to align.
Yes I use the stock repro sealing tape. It works fine for me, at least the tapes supplied from Zip Corvette but I don't know where they get it. So.....I just measured several window frames here...... my '59, a '61, a reproduction window I had already installed on a '60 some time ago, and a '56 here that belongs to a friend. All frames measure the same. I get about 0.450" along the top and near the back end, to about 0.465" near the front top corners. 0.450" is the narrowest measurement I got on all frames. These are all with glass installed. I'm surprised yours are narrower.
The channel felt......I looked for my Joanne's receipt with no luck. But I took some measurements, tricky with a caliper, but it's about 0.040" thick, and much softer than the repro, it has a white backing. The repro felt is about 0.080", and a much stiffer weave material which must attribute to the fitment issues trying to move the frame in the channels. Works fine for the midyear un-framed glass though.
Left Joanne's(40 thsnds), Right repro(80 thsnds)
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Top layer is Joanne's(white backing), bottom layer is repro. You can see the repro is like stiff brushes, whereas the Joann'es is a softer weave.
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If you can't find any locally drop me a note and I'll send you a few pieces for cost of postage.
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Thanks Rich for the good information. It is always good to see an actual installation and know that it can really been done.Comment
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Hi Roger,
Glad it helps. It just takes some extra work to get them to fit and work right. Common with today's reproduction parts.
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