Bloomington Gold juging vs. NCRS

[John S.]

This might be blasphemy, but I am taking my 67 427/435 car to Bloomington Gold event for judging this summer. Never been there to see or experience it.Just wondered how it compares to regional NCRS judging? My car scored Top Flight at Texas regional, so hope to achieve Gold at Bloomington.Any input on what to do to be ready there vs. preparations for NCRS judging?Thanks,John

[John H.]

Re: Bloomington Gold juging vs. NCRS

This might be blasphemy, but I am taking my 67 427/435 car to Bloomington Gold event for judging this summer. Never been there to see or experience it.Just wondered how it compares to regional NCRS judging? My car scored Top Flight at Texas regional, so hope to achieve Gold at Bloomington.Any input on what to do to be ready there vs. preparations for NCRS judging?Thanks,John

John -

The short version is that you'll need a window price sticker, it's all over in 23 minutes, and you'll need to declare whether you think your pad stamp is original or not. More info is available at the Bloomington Gold website, and others will chime in with more detail. You'll see lots of familiar faces.

[John S.]

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John,Suggestions on where to get window sticker made? Do I use my tank sticker info for options list? And delivering dealer was Ron Tonkin Chevrolet in Portland, Or, but should I have address for them? Not sure how to find that from 1967.Thanks,John

[Patrick H.]

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Oddly enough there is info on the Bloomington website....

https://www.bloomingtongold.com/index.php/events/judging/certification

Just ignore the two weenies in the photo. The good looking guy is hidden by the hood.

While not linked there, the judging sheets are available in pdf form. I would contact Bloomington and ask for a copy for your car.
Please note what is - and is not - on each line item.
There are no partial points either, and each box moved to the right subtracts 5 points.

Good luck!

[John S.]

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Patrick,I had read all through the Bloomington info on their site and now am registered, but could not find anything denoting the window sticker provision? Did I miss it somewhere? As I am not sure on my stamp pad, I elected to state not OEM to eliminate that issue.Thanks,John

[Patrick H.]

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I had read all through the Bloomington info on their site and now am registered, but could not find anything denoting the window sticker provision? Did I miss it somewhere?

Yes, it's called the judging sheets. As noted, they are different from the NCRS, and you need to review them line by line to see what you need to address.
Much of it is the same - but some of it is not.

BG doesn't have judging manuals or references as to what the car should - or should not - have on it the day of judging. Unfortunately that's left to the owner to figure out, and the best way is to look at the sheets.
Items there are weighted differently than in the NCRS. In addition some items are added, but some are not judged.

E-mail them or call, and you'll get the sheets right away. Then start doing your homework and be prepared.

[John S.]

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OK, thank you.

[Patrick H.]

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One of the things I always tell owners is that an owner should know his car better than the judges when he presents the car to be judged. Now, I know that's all relative, but what I mean is that you need to know what deductions you are likely to receive and for what items. In my experience BG has a lot more "rookie" owners than NCRS Regionals so if you've been to a Regional you are already moderately well prepared. For both NCRS and BG it pays to study the judging sheets ahead of time so that you know what to expect.

Note that as John says the judging is much shorter in duration (they're actually timed), and also that the judges do NOT have to review the judging sheets with you (no, I'm not kidding).
The dance is different, so to speak, than NCRS but the participants (car/owner/judges) are often the same. Your key is to learn the new BG dance steps so that you're not unprepared out on the dance floor.

I hope that helps.

Patrick

[John S.]

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Patrick, I have been through several NCRS meets so know the ropes there with my 63 and 67 cars, both Top Flight at regionals and chapter meets.Just wanted to experience the Bloomington event, and hope for Gold with the 67! Have read if base/clear paint they do not make gold, mine is lacquer, so maybe! At regional would have scored over 98, but they deducted 88 points for stamp pad, so thus the reason for declaring not OEM at BG, it has passed in chapter meets, but? Sure looks right to me and supposedly Al Greening blessed it, but I want no chance to not make gold.Any advice on the window sticker item, do not know about that.I have emailed Gail at BG to get the judging sheets.Thanks,John

[Patrick H.]

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Any advice on the window sticker item, do not know about that.I have emailed Gail at BG to get the judging sheets.Thanks,John

http://www.window-sticker.com/

I've been a bit vague on purpose, as there is more to the differences than just putting a window sticker in your car and showing up.
That's why a pre-game review is most helpful.

If Al Grenning sent you a letter blessing the pad, then by all means take that along. There is a separate team that judges the stamp pad.
If you only heard this through the grapevine then you need to determine if it's worth paying for that letter from Al.

Patrick

[John S.]

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Understand, just not worth the risk after trailering for 1700 miles!Wanted to get going on the window sticker if that is needed as I am gone for much of May and June, so have to try to get ready this month so car is ready to go when I get back and start the drive to BG.

[Patrick S.]

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Tell me more about the clear coat/base coat deduction. Is it automatic that you will not get a Gold if you have modern paint? I was planning to go but will change my mind if that is the case.

[Gary H.]

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Glad that I was able to read what was posted on this thread. I started a similar thread a few months ago but it got canned by the moderators.

As far as window sticker goes, I have 2 questions.

If I am showing the car on redlines, am I correct to assume that I should check off redlines on the form for the sticker?
Does the sticker that goes in the window need to be laminated? I see that lamination is an option as well on the order form.

Gary

[Don H.]

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Gary
leaving this one to run because it was framed as a comparison to NCRS Flight judging. There is much overlap in participants between BG and NCRS so much experience to be shared and as long as the stream of info has some applicability to NCRS judging then no problem. When it is all BG, the answers should come from BG resources.

[Patrick H.]

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As far as window sticker goes, I have 2 questions.

If I am showing the car on redlines, am I correct to assume that I should check off redlines on the form for the sticker?
Does the sticker that goes in the window need to be laminated? I see that lamination is an option as well on the order form.

Gary

A tangential answer - if the car is being judged based on what the window sticker shows, do you think it should match how the car is displayed? Me too.


And was the window sticker laminated when it was placed on the window at the factory? Since the BG standard is as it left the factory, not as per dealer prep (the NCRS standard) that is how the car should be displayed. The sticker is not there just to please those who pass by the car show. Some entrants go to great lengths to be sure that their car matches the "factory fresh" vs. as-delivered standard.

Patrick