Verifying a 435 horse car with no docs

[Dave C.]

In another post I have been talking about the 67 roadster that I have just purchased, as mentioned the car has all of the tell tail signs that it was an original 435 horse car, and the good thing is that the chassis has never been restored, everything looks very original, ( the motor has been replaced with a later year 427, with no intent buy the seller to try to pass it off as original)
i am just wondering, even though the car has no paperwork of any kind, would it be possible to take it to an ncrs meet, and have an expert go over it and give some type of validation, before I start restoring it?
that way after the car is done I at least have something to indicate that it probably was a real deal car?

thanks,

dave

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Verifying a 435 horse car with no docs

In another post I have been talking about the 67 roadster that I have just purchased, as mentioned the car has all of the tell tail signs that it was an original 435 horse car, and the good thing is that the chassis has never been restored, everything looks very original, ( the motor has been replaced with a later year 427, with no intent buy the seller to try to pass it off as original) i am just wondering, even though the car has no paperwork of any kind, would it be possible to take it to an ncrs meet, and have an expert go over it and give some type of validation, before I start restoring it?that way after the car is done I at least have something to indicate that it probably was a real deal car?thanks,dave

DAVEIf you had someone look at your Corvette it would just be a opinion no matter who you get. I would take tons of picts before you restore the car. If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck & quacks like a duck then its a duck but with no pedigree. I had a BLACK/BLACK coupe 435 but with no paperwork but I still got 6 figures from a dealer when I sold it. GOOD LUCK.

[Richard M.]

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Dave, the event results are not a type of validation. It's documenting what the car appears to be during judging.

The only true validation you can get via NCRS is from the Validation Service, verifying original paperwork that matches GM records on file now with NCRS back to 1962. That paperwork can be a Tank Sheet, Original Invoice, Window Sticker, Protecto-Plate, etc.

Now this doesn't mean you shouldn't take it to a judged meet. I recommend you do to learn more about your car and for the experience and the FUN. BTW, that's the most important part.....the FUN. Find a Chapter meet to attend for a new learning tool. It'll help tell you how to make it the way you want it to be.

I took my NOM '59 to Kissimmee six years ago.....for the experience and FUN.

Rich

[Don H.]

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Rich et al-
the Validation Service does not verify Protect O Plate. Only the paper you described. I checked on it.

[Richard M.]

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Rich et al-
the Validation Service does not verify Protect O Plate. Only the paper you described. I checked on it.

Thanks for that info Don.....my mistake, sorry Dave.

[Dave C.]

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Richard you are so right, sometimes everybody gets so caught up in this hobby that they forget that the reason these cars were ever produced in the first place , was for people to have fun in, I sent off the money , and ordered the shipping for my 67 today, I am going to be like a kid waiting for Christmas for the next two weeks, I may have only had two of them so far, in my life , but I can tell you there is something about these cars, that makes me real happy.

[Jaime G.]

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Dave,
what you will receive from NCRS will be where the car was shipped from St. Louis. i.e. what dealer received the car. Good Beginning.

[Ronald L.]

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Dave - you did not say if it was a Canada car or US. If Canada there are people that have the records. Just remember there are more 435HP 67's now than came off the asy line...

[Thomas H.]

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did 67 have build sheets glued to the top of the gas tank?

[Kenneth B.]

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did 67 have build sheets glued to the top of the gas tank?

Yes they did.

[Dave C.]

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Hi guys, the first thing the current owner did was drop the tank , and you could see the glue and remnants of the tank sheet ,but nothing readable, and as I said no window sticker, or protector-plate, and not sold in Canada as my old 72 was, but even though the car has been reprinted and had a bit of work on the interior , the chassis is most definitely unrestored, and as far as I can tell has every single thing to indicate a 435 , I think I will take it down to Tacoma this summer before I do anything to it, and see if a judge can have a look at everything for me, I know it's just an opinion, but it's better than nothing. As suggested ,I will take a ton of pictures as well before I get started.
i had already run the vin through the historical document service, and found out the car was sold in Baltimre Md, on May 23, 67, damn so close mine is May 22.

[Patrick B.]

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Some obvious places to start: What is the rear end code and date? Is the tramsmission orginal and a close ratio?: What is the code label on the back of the gage cluster? Does it have a working TI system? If so what is the distributor number and date? Does it have an original TI wiring harness with braided resistance wires (unlike repros)? Is the TI box and harness still there if it has a points distributor?

[Joe R.]

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Does it have an original TI wiring harness with braided resistance wires (unlike repros)?

Hi Patrick,

What portion of an original harness should have the braided resistance wires? At the distributor or near the TI box? Can you provide pics of original vs. reproduction?

Thanks,
Joe

[Patrick B.]

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Hi Patrick,

What portion of an original harness should have the braided resistance wires? At the distributor or near the TI box? Can you provide pics of original vs. reproduction?

Thanks,
Joe

Joe:
The easiest braided resistance wire to see is the one attached to the "+" side of the coil. The wire from the ignition switch connects to another braided resistance wire in the TI harness. I will take some photos of original and repro wires next week when I go to my shop.

[William N.]

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I would recommend that you enter in in a chapter or regional meet and for the small price you pay, you will get at least 8 folks opinions of all aspects of the car. If nothing else it will fill in blacks on parts of the car that you may not be an expert in and it can be a fun time. Just don't get too hung up with it, and enjoy the judging for what it is, an opportunity to learn more about the car. I have done that before restoration of my cars to make sure I didn't throw away a good original part only to replace it with an unobtainable outrageously priced one, or poor replacement.