65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

[Ronald C.]

I was reviewing judging notes from last years regionals at MN and KY and have a question. On one judging sheet, it states that the brake line should be red stripped... and the other judging meet says no red stripe. anyone have the final word on the color and configuration of the brakes lines?

[Edward J.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

Ron, I have seen the fittings are sometimes dyed with a red anodizing and some fittings maybe green anodized. I think this maybe the way they tell the fitting sizes. The steel lines should be natural without any paint or overspray. are your lines stainless steel? maybe the bends in the line (s) are not contoured correctly, The lines are pre-bent and generally hug the frame rails when installed.

[Gene M.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

Ron,

I've never attempted to count the ribs on the rubber brake hoses. But as a general rule the hoses only have to be of the type used originally. That is the DOT requirements have changed since 1968. The ends now are required by law to have double crimps. Judges are to overlook the double crimp as to retain originals would be unsafe and stupid. The hoses need to be installed correctly as to not have the ribs twisted. The white DOT markings should be removed.

[Edward J.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

Ron, sorry I was thinking steel lines, not hoses. Gene has you covered. Ed

[Gary B.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

I was reviewing judging notes from last years regionals at MN and KY and have a question. On one judging sheet, it states that the brake line should be red stripped... and the other judging meet says no red stripe. anyone have the final word on the color and configuration of the brakes lines?

Ron,

As best I can remember the sometimes-present, colored stripe on C2 rubber brake hoses is not discussed in the '66 TIM&JG, and I assume the same is true for the '65 TIM&JG. If that's the case, then this is one of those situations were different judges are bringing their own observations to bear when they judge the color stripe as correct or not. There are any number of reasons why the Tim&JG would be silent about the color and presence of a stripe. But one reason might be that there is inadequate research to support any definitive statement in the TIM&JG.

Did you lose any points because of the color or presence of the stripe? If not, then I assume your question is mainly out of interest for historical reasons. If you did lose points, then I think your experience is something that raises the question of what is appropriate in terms of judging details for items that are not described in the TIM&JG. Does anyone have any thoughts about the the extent to which that practice is done and should be done? I'm curious to know what others think.

Gary

[Terry M.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

I offer this for some perspective.
From 1968-1972 brake lines had gold iridite colored metal ends and either red or white lettering (DOT specs) and line. Both judging manuals contain this line: 'No deduction is to be made for replacement hoses; they are a safety item subject to deterioration'.
At one time, and maybe still (I don't have my JRM at hand), there was a similar statement in the Judging Reference Manual. If that statement is in the 8th Edition and you received a deduction for your rubber brake lines -- there was a learning opportunity that was missed.

[Gary B.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

I was reviewing judging notes from last years regionals at MN and KY and have a question. On one judging sheet, it states that the brake line should be red stripped... and the other judging meet says no red stripe. anyone have the final word on the color and configuration of the brakes lines?

Ron,

Can you clarify if your two sets of judging sheets show a deduct for the brake hoses? Of if there is simply a notation by the judges informing you of what originals looked like, but with no deduct?

Thanks,

Gary

[Ronald C.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

sorry for the confusion, I meant brake hoses that run to the caliper. i have lost point for the not having a red stripe and then after stripping for having the stripe. I am setting the car up for nationals this year and want to go after every point i can. anyone know if the hoses should have a red stripe or not?

[Gary B.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

sorry for the confusion, I meant brake hoses that run to the caliper. i have lost point for the not having a red stripe and then after stripping for having the stripe. I am setting the car up for nationals this year and want to go after every point i can. anyone know if the hoses should have a red stripe or not?

Ron,

Surely someone can check in the latest edition of the Judging Reference Manual (JRM) and see if the hoses are supposed to be judged. Red stripe or not, it sounds like you might run into a judge that disagrees with whatever choice you make and the opinion of one person on the DB is not going to change the mind of a judge who is convinced they already know the answer. If the JRM says the hoses aren't to be judged, in the long run that is your best defense against inconsistent opinions from different judges about the stripe.

Gary

[Edward J.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

Ron, If you get no answers maybe a E-mail to the team leader is in order and I am sure you'll get a correct answer. 65 being the first year for disc brakes there maybe be something spec. about your car. I my self have only seen brake hoses with white stripes no red stripes. newer corvettes I think maybe yellow stripes.

[Mike E.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

My 1970 mostly-unmolested car has red stripes with red lettering. Spelled out as correct in the 70-72 JG. May not be correct for 65, . Here's a picture.P5031914.jpg

Ron, If you get no answers maybe a E-mail to the team leader is in order and I am sure you'll get a correct answer. 65 being the first year for disc brakes there maybe be something spec. about your car. I my self have only seen brake hoses with white stripes no red stripes. newer corvettes I think maybe yellow stripes.

[Tony S.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

I think Gene covered this pretty well. A few additional things to consider: As for your front brake hoses, be sure you have the '65 style and not the '67 style front hoses--there's a difference. LI has the correctly configured '65 hoses. The stripes that I've seen are more orange than red. Good luck. Tony

[Terry M.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

I spent some time last night looking in the JRM for anything about rubber brake lines without success. I quit when I got bored -- actually I fell asleep, but I am pretty sure there is nothing there. I am also pretty sure that there used to be. Oh well!

[Bill W.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

Hi Ron . My 31,000 mile 65 # 17346 has two red stripes on each rear hose . They or opposite each other . Three of them or about 1/8 wide or a little less ,the 4th is about 9/32 or a little more . there are no visible numbers or letters on the hose .

[Gary B.]

Re: 65 brake lines 9 stripped or not?

I spent some time last night looking in the JRM for anything about rubber brake lines without success. I quit when I got bored -- actually I fell asleep, but I am pretty sure there is nothing there. I am also pretty sure that there used to be. Oh well!

Terry,

I can't find any mention of brake hoses in my 6th edition of the JRF, which admittedly is a some years old.

I do find the following in the latest edition of the '66 TIM&JG:

Brake Hoses


That text does suggest to me that brake hoses are still judged for originality. Also, I interpret the "red/orange/white" tracer as meaning the stripe for '66 can be red, or orange, or white, as opposed to a mixture or sequence of the three. I think if a lawyer were to read the description in the '66 TIM&JG he/she would tell you that the wording does not state that hoses without tracers are not possible. Nor does it state that hoses with other colors are not possible.

Gary