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  • Robert M.
    Expired
    • April 30, 1999
    • 415

    What is the differences in the heads?

    I just bought a 1968 L89 Coupe. What exactly are the differences, if any between the aluminum and cast iron head besides the weight? Are the combustion chambers, valves and ports different?
  • Dick W.
    Former NCRS Director Region IV
    • June 30, 1985
    • 10483

    #2
    Re: What is the differences in the heads?

    Same everything, dimension wise, as a L-71 cast iron head engine
    Dick Whittington

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    • Duke W.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • December 31, 1992
      • 15597

      #3
      Re: What is the differences in the heads?

      Didn't the Al heads have slightly larger exhaust valves - 1.88 vs. 1.84"?

      Duke

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      • Joe L.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • January 31, 1988
        • 43191

        #4
        Re: What is the differences in the heads?

        Originally posted by Duke Williams (22045)
        Didn't the Al heads have slightly larger exhaust valves - 1.88 vs. 1.84"?

        Duke

        Duke-----


        Closed chamber aluminum heads had 1.84" exhaust valves versus 1.72" for cast iron. Open chamber aluminum heads were 1.88".
        In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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        • Robert M.
          Expired
          • April 30, 1999
          • 415

          #5
          Re: What is the differences in the heads?

          Joe

          As there is a difference, is there any performance difference that has been quantified betweeen the aliminum and cast iron head?

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          • Joe L.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • January 31, 1988
            • 43191

            #6
            Re: What is the differences in the heads?

            Originally posted by Robert Margolies (32164)
            Joe

            As there is a difference, is there any performance difference that has been quantified betweeen the aliminum and cast iron head?

            Robert-------


            Well, both the 1968 L-71 and L-71/L-89 were rated at 435 HP. So, as far as GM was concerned, there apparently was no difference. If there actually was a difference, I would expect it to be quite small and pretty much insignificant.
            In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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            • Robert M.
              Expired
              • April 30, 1999
              • 415

              #7
              Re: What is the differences in the heads?

              This is a June built car and a may engine assembly date. It is a 321 block casting which according to Colvin was a very early 68 block and was used until only approx Jan. 1968. Is this possibly correct? I have been told it is the original motor. Thanks

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              • Joe L.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • January 31, 1988
                • 43191

                #8
                Re: What is the differences in the heads?

                Originally posted by Robert Margolies (32164)
                This is a June built car and a may engine assembly date. It is a 321 block casting which according to Colvin was a very early 68 block and was used until only approx Jan. 1968. Is this possibly correct? I have been told it is the original motor. Thanks
                Robert-----

                I suppose something like you have described is possible. I'd look to the block casting date first. If it's cast after January, 1968, then we know that Colvin is wrong about this block not being manufactured after January, 1968 and it could very likely be original to the car. If it's cast in January, 1968 or earlier but with a May, 1968 assembly date, that's possible, especially for big blocks. Sometimes, there were significant time lags between cast dates and engine assembly dates for big blocks. In any event, I'd be looking to see how all the other numbers on this engine "line up" and I'd be looking really close at the stamp pad.
                In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                • Robert M.
                  Expired
                  • April 30, 1999
                  • 415

                  #9
                  Re: What is the differences in the heads?

                  Can you read the pad? How does it look?

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                  • Robert M.
                    Expired
                    • April 30, 1999
                    • 415

                    #10
                    Re: What is the differences in the heads?

                    How is this one?

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                    • Joe L.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • January 31, 1988
                      • 43191

                      #11
                      Re: What is the differences in the heads?

                      Originally posted by Robert Margolies (32164)
                      How is this one?

                      Robert-----


                      It looks a little suspicious to me, especially because there are "non-aligned" characters in both the engine code and VIN derivative. Also, the characters appear to be of randomly different impression depths which is uncharacteristic of a gang stamp. However, I'm certainly not expert at stamp pad issues. Let's let some others weigh in on this.

                      How about the block casting date?
                      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                      • Rob M.
                        NCRS IT Developer
                        • January 1, 2004
                        • 12692

                        #12
                        Re: What is the differences in the heads?

                        Originally posted by Robert Margolies (32164)
                        Joe

                        As there is a difference, is there any performance difference that has been quantified betweeen the aliminum and cast iron head?
                        I would expect so, since the car is lighter...
                        Rob.

                        NCRS Dutch Chapter Founder & Board Member
                        NCRS Software Developer
                        C1, C2 and C3 Registry Developer

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                        • Robert M.
                          Expired
                          • April 30, 1999
                          • 415

                          #13
                          Re: What is the differences in the heads?

                          Everything is good. The casting date of my 321 block is A118(Jan, 11, 1968. The stamp assembly date is My 5, 1968 and the build date of the car is June 27, 1968. I have no doubt it is the original motor.

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                          • Joe L.
                            Beyond Control Poster
                            • January 31, 1988
                            • 43191

                            #14
                            Re: What is the differences in the heads?

                            Originally posted by Robert Margolies (32164)
                            Everything is good. The casting date of my 321 block is A118(Jan, 11, 1968. The stamp assembly date is My 5, 1968 and the build date of the car is June 27, 1968. I have no doubt it is the original motor.

                            Robert------

                            That's a very long time between the block's casting and engine assembly. It is possible but it's unusual.

                            For example, looking through Noland Adams' rather extensive survey of C2-era big blocks, I couldn't find even a single instance of a 4 month lapse between engine block casting and final assembly.
                            Last edited by Joe L.; March 1, 2014, 02:05 AM. Reason: add second paragraph
                            In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                            • Patrick B.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • August 31, 1985
                              • 1985

                              #15
                              Re: What is the differences in the heads?

                              I have a 66 Impala 427 2 bolt block that was cast in Dec 65 and assembled in May 66, so I believe wide time gaps are possible. However, Robert's pictures of the pad do not appear on my computer, so I cannot guess about originality of this particular engine.

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