Starter Solenoid What Are These?

[Gene M.]

Anybody know the application for starter solenoids #'s 1114344, 1114364, and 1114_ _36?

What is the difference from say 1114356?

[Joe L.]

Re: Starter Solenoid What Are These?

Anybody know the application for starter solenoids #'s 1114344, 1114364, and 1114_ _36?

What is the difference from say 1114356?

Gene-----


I can't tell you what the original applications of these solenoids were, assuming there even was an original application (i.e. they could have been SERVICE-only solenoids).

However, I can tell you that the 1114364 is functionally interchangeable with the 1114356. I believe the 1114344 is, too, but I have not been able to confirm that.

[Gene M.]

Re: Starter Solenoid What Are These?

Thank you Joe.

My guess is they all would have the same pull in force since the bendix assembly are the same BB and SB.

[Wayne M.]

Re: Starter Solenoid What Are These?

Here's an NOS ...356. Black body and cap on this one.

[Timothy B.]

Re: Starter Solenoid What Are These?

Gene,

I purchased a nice used 1107320 small block starter that was never touched and it had a 1114344 solenoid. The date was sometime late in 1965 I recall.

[Gene M.]

Re: Starter Solenoid What Are These?

Just to keep you guys abreast of what I'm finding there are numerous p/n solenoids on so called original starter assemblies. The body finish has been both zinc plated and black (appears paint). Body to cap gaskets are black rubber like material. The end phenolic caps has been both black and differing shades of brown. There are some later caps that don't have the Delco identification on them. I would think these are replacements. But they retain the made in USA in the same spot and curved type. I have no idea of the time frame on these. The markings "R" & "S" look the same.

[Page C.]

Re: Starter Solenoid What Are These?

1107320 starter dated 5E19 NCRS.jpgI also have seen many 1114344 solenoid on original 1107320 starters but never on a restored starter. I believe they were production only solenoids and were also painted black as well as the barrel and aluminum nose of the starter. The restored starters all seem to have no paint on the alumumin nose and a nice shiny solenoid. The production line paint process at Delco certainty did not mask of the aluminum nose and I would doubt if they did anything to the solenoid other than masking the terminal end with some type of cover. My guess is that they were on some type of chain conveyor system with starters passing through an automated paint station. The volumn of starters required from Delco for all GM lines must have been stagging.The paint probably didn't adhere very well to the aluminun nose but traces can be seen on original old starters.

[Gene M.]

Re: Starter Solenoid What Are These?

I also have seen many 1114344 solenoid on original 1107320 starters but never on a restored starter. I believe they were production only solenoids and were also painted black as well as the barrel and aluminum nose of the starter. The restored starters all seem to have no paint on the alumumin nose and a nice shiny solenoid. The production line paint process at Delco certainty did not mask of the aluminum nose and I would doubt if they did anything to the solenoid other than masking the terminal end with some type of cover. My guess is that they were on some type of chain conveyor system with starters passing through an automated paint station. The volumn of starters required from Delco for all GM lines must have been stagging.The paint probably didn't adhere very well to the aluminun nose but traces can be seen on original old starters.

Hi Page,
You have interesting point on paint. But here is a possibility on the paint and assembly procedure at Delco. Imagine that the process changed over the years of production. And I say this because I see evidence of some starters painted as assemblies and others where the main round body mounts to the nose looks to be painted separate. As in paint along the interfacing assembled edges while others do not look that way. Unfortunately I never kept any records or photos over the years.

That may also be why some aluminum cast noses are bare aluminum while others are painted or at least partial painted black. I have always used the portion of the nose that sits inside the bell housing to dictate the black paint vs natural aluminum. Mostly (from my experience) this has no paint. Could also be black from clutch disk as this is a dirty area. Spray brake cleaner pretty much removes anything. Does this mean the ENTIRE nose is/was natural? Your guess is as good as mine.

But your (and other's) finding other solenoid numbers other than published ones is good info. Thank you