J56 Brake judging

[John H.]

Re: J56 Brake judging

Don't have 5th edition judging manual yet. Does it spell out about casting #'s?; previous one does not. Regarding judges using own knowledge, thought judging manual was NCRS bible and judges were supposed to go by it without regard to personal opinion or "other knowledge" unless member being judged could prove otherwise to what's in manual. Where am I going wrong?

William -

If the JG covered every single item we examine while judging, it would need handles to carry it; that's why it's called a "judging guide" and not a "judging manual". That said, it doesn't do you much good to use an obsolete reference - you'll find that the 5th Edition is light-years better than the old 4th Edition, with nearly 300 pages and hundreds of photographs.

[Kenneth B.]

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William -If the JG covered every single item we examine while judging, it would need handles to carry it; that's why it's called a "judging guide" and not a "judging manual". That said, it doesn't do you much good to use an obsolete reference - you'll find that the 5th Edition is light-years better than the old 4th Edition, with nearly 300 pages and hundreds of photographs.

I agree John. I bought the last one they had at NCRS booth at the BJ auction here in Phoenix. Compared to the 4TH edition it is 10 times better. I love the picts. Well worth the money!

[William F.]

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Joe,
Thanks for the to the point answer to my question about casting numbers.
John and Ken,
I'm buying the new manual. Would still like to know what deducts to expect if calipers had correct 2 pin configuration but incorrect casting numbers.
Thanks

[Patrick H.]

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Joe,
Thanks for the to the point answer to my question about casting numbers.
John and Ken,
I'm buying the new manual. Would still like to know what deducts to expect if calipers had correct 2 pin configuration but incorrect casting numbers.
Thanks

One point?

There are 10 originality points for knuckles, spindles, arms and brake assemblies. IF they even notice the numbers, one point for the fronts.

In the rear there are 5 points for originality under brake assemblies. So, another 1 max?

You are FAR more likely to lose points due to having paint on the areas that were originally machined bare than to lose a point on the number. Lay under the car some time and you'll see what I mean.

Patrick

[William F.]

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John et all,
I understand what you're saying about judging manual.
Patrick,
Thanks for suggestions about bare machined surfaces. I'll make note when I see originals so I can get it right.

[Joe L.]

Re: J56 Brake judging

Joe,
Thanks for the to the point answer to my question about casting numbers.
John and Ken,
I'm buying the new manual. Would still like to know what deducts to expect if calipers had correct 2 pin configuration but incorrect casting numbers.
Thanks

William------


Finding calipers of the correct casting number is not really all that difficult. The 546xxxx series numbers are the most difficult (especially in 1st design configuration and not converted to 2nd design). However, they are out there and certainly not rare. The 545xxxx are easier to find. The most common are the 547xxxx series which were used for the most number of years and the most number of cars (about 1973 thru 1982).

[Wayne M.]

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Here's a pic of front caliper off late '65. Casting # and black insulators ('65 thru '67E) are visible.

[William F.]

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Where can I find some USABLE, not rust buckets, 545's at a reasonable price?

[Joe L.]

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Where can I find some USABLE, not rust buckets, 545's at a reasonable price?

William------

I think sources like Lonestar Caliper, Corvette Stainless Steel Brakes and others could fix you up with such calipers, completely restored and rebuilt for a relatively reasonable cost. I think they only charge about 25 bucks extra for specific caliper casting numbers. The vast majority of folks that order rebuilt calipers don't care.