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  • Gary H.
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    • June 8, 2008
    • 308

    Chassis Judging at nationals

    Is chassis Judging at NCRS nationals done on a lift? Was just having a conversation about this with a friend. He thought that he had read somewhere that it was done on a lift, I figured that the logistics of 60 to 80 cars being judged on a lift would be a nightmare.
  • Page C.
    Very Frequent User
    • February 1, 1979
    • 802

    #2
    Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

    Chassis judging on the lifts is ONLY done for Bowtie judging at National Conventions.

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    • Bob D.
      NCRS Shipping Data Report Manager
      • April 30, 1996
      • 788

      #3
      Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

      Gary Chassis judging on a lift at Nationals is done on Bowtie candidate cars only. Chassis judging for flight cars is done the same as at any other meet--on the ground. Bob

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      • Gary H.
        Expired
        • June 8, 2008
        • 308

        #4
        Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

        Great news...I am going for Duntov. Fully undercoated, so I lose a ton of points in chassis...I didnt want to see the results of being judged on a lift.

        Thanks

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        • Patrick H.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • December 1, 1989
          • 11643

          #5
          Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

          Originally posted by Gary Haftel (49128)
          Great news...I am going for Duntov. Fully undercoated, so I lose a ton of points in chassis...I didnt want to see the results of being judged on a lift.

          Thanks
          Gary,

          Are you going to be removing undercoating? It's a pain, but for those extra points it may be needed.
          Not sure where your points totals currently lie, but I don't recall (operative word) a Duntov car with undercoating.

          Patrick
          Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
          71 "deer modified" coupe
          72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
          2008 coupe
          Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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          • Michael J.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • January 27, 2009
            • 7122

            #6
            Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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            • Gary H.
              Expired
              • June 8, 2008
              • 308

              #7
              Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

              I just barely pulled off the 97 needed. I have a few things that I can correct over the next few months to give me a bit of a buffer. I drive the car quite a bit, so will need to clean quite a bit before judging again. I lost around 20 or 25 points for the undercoating

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              • Patrick H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 1, 1989
                • 11643

                #8
                Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

                Originally posted by Gary Haftel (49128)
                I lost around 20 or 25 points for the undercoating
                I'm surprised that's all. I have seen points taken off every chassis item under the car due to under coating which amounts to a lot more than 25.
                Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                71 "deer modified" coupe
                72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                2008 coupe
                Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                • Michael J.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • January 27, 2009
                  • 7122

                  #9
                  Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

                  Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
                  I'm surprised that's all. I have seen points taken off every chassis item under the car due to under coating which amounts to a lot more than 25.
                  +1, mine was way more than that at Regionals. In fact a judge commented that it was hard to judge the undercarriage since "everything is black and sticky".
                  Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                  • Bob D.
                    NCRS Shipping Data Report Manager
                    • April 30, 1996
                    • 788

                    #10
                    Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

                    Michael Judging will be tougher at the National than at a regional. There will be many more Master Judges at a National and that might not bode well for an undercoated car. My '71 was undercoated and once I cleaned it all off the underside was pristine. I would start cleaning now. I used mineral spirits and a lot of patience. It was well worth it. Bob

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                    • Gary H.
                      Expired
                      • June 8, 2008
                      • 308

                      #11
                      Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

                      What was the process like? I was told that I would have to heat a little at a time and use a putty knife. Figured the undercoating was the reason the car survived all these years with only surface rust.

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                      • Kurt G.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • April 30, 2005
                        • 343

                        #12
                        Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

                        Try Eastwood's Undergone. It works great. You will need at least 6 cans, a good scraper and a few dozen scratch pads. Did mine 2years ago. The car was a Chicago area car and had undercoat everywhere. Ask Demmel what it looks like now.
                        Kurt Geis
                        Chairman, Midway USA Chapter
                        Targa Blue 1972, Top Flight and Duntov Award, 2014
                        Arctic White 1994, Top Flight, Hrt. of Amer. Reg. 2011
                        Arctic White 2013 60th Anniv Special Edition Conv.

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                        • Keith B.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • March 7, 2008
                          • 928

                          #13
                          Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

                          A side exhaust car really slows down a judge from crawling under a car. Believe me since I am the youngest and skinniest that's what I do

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                          • Terry M.
                            Beyond Control Poster
                            • September 30, 1980
                            • 15601

                            #14
                            Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

                            Originally posted by Gary Haftel (49128)
                            What was the process like? I was told that I would have to heat a little at a time and use a putty knife. Figured the undercoating was the reason the car survived all these years with only surface rust.
                            Not all kinds of undercoating are the same. The only way to know what is needed to remove it is to try various methods. No one from behind a computer can tell you. Best anyone here can do is to tell you what worked for them. That may or may not work for you, but it could give you some ideas you hadn't thought of.

                            Even from behind a computer I can tell you it will be a long tedious and very messy process.
                            Terry

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                            • Bob D.
                              NCRS Shipping Data Report Manager
                              • April 30, 1996
                              • 788

                              #15
                              Re: Chassis Judging at nationals

                              Gary It was tedious but I used both Undergone on some areas and the mineral spirits in a spray bottle. I soaked the areas of undercoat and used plastic putty knives to scrape it off. Once I cleaned an area I wiped it down with the mineral spirits to finish is off. As Terry said you may have to try different products. The Undergone did not work as well fro me as the mineral spirits. Kurt had more luck with it and his chassis looks great. I liked the mineral spirits because it did not remove the grease pencil markings I found under the under coat. You will need patience. By the way, I'm one of those skinny guys who sometimes does chassis and I can get most of the way under a C3. Bob

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