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  • William K.
    Very Frequent User
    • November 1, 1977
    • 147
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    Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

    Who knowsw what state Roy Kumnick now deceased former SCCA B/P Corvette racer was living in when he sold in around 1962 his 1958 Corvette race car that was the former Nickey Purple People eater #1 B/P SCCA racer that he bought from Spooner. Does anyone know if he repainted the car after he bought it from Spooner. Does anyone know if Spooner repainted it after he bought car at end of 1958 season from Nickey.

    Does anyone know whether spooner is alive and if so were

    Does anyone know what happened to the Nickey 1958 Purple People Eater #2 car that they ony used in one race in Montgomery New York in August 1958

    Does anyone know in that August 1958 race was the 1958 PPE #2 driven by Jeffords painted the same colour as the 1958 Corvette PPE31 cat

    Bill Keogh
    e mail: wllmkeogh@yahoo.com
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    • John N.
      Very Frequent User
      • February 1, 1975
      • 451
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      Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

      Have you checked with the people mentioned in the Race Car Registry information on those cars?Regards
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        • Tom S.
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          • August 31, 1994
          • 137
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          Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

          Bill,
          Have you called Bob Ruth yet, original racer/owner of 58 car from Mid Ohio (home track) ....Work # 440 748 1686 or craig@ruthcorvette.com
          He has a list of all entrants from the day and needs a name or Vin # to get the rest of the story (as he told me when I inquired about #1335).
          Tom
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            • Robert R.
              Very Frequent User
              • May 31, 1975
              • 358
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              Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

              Bill
              You may also want to contact Robin Wynan of Harmony Corvette in Marango Illinois.
              His dad was part of the mechanical team that worked on the Purple People Eater cars.
              Over the years, he has talked about his dad's work and shown pictures of the cars when they raced here in the Midwest.
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                • Michael H.
                  Expired
                  • January 29, 2008
                  • 7477
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                  Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                  Try to contact Bill Morrison in Winnetka IL. (I can't find his info) He would know about Kumnick. Also, his friend Chuck West may have info.

                  Both raced SCCA around that time and lived in the same area.

                  I think Kumnick was from NW Indiana??
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                    • Joel M.
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                      • May 31, 1975
                      • 141
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                      Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                      Yea--- great car---- VIN 119
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                        • William K.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • November 1, 1977
                          • 147
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                          Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                          Found out Roy Kunich is deceased thanks
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                            • William K.
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                              • November 1, 1977
                              • 147
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                              Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                              Found out roy kumnick is deceased BUT THANK YOU FOR contact name because have some other questions Robin Wynan may know answer to best wishesBill Keogh
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                                • William K.
                                  Very Frequent User
                                  • November 1, 1977
                                  • 147
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                                  Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                                  Tom I believe I did but will re-do it Thjanks Bill
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                                    • William K.
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                                      • November 1, 1977
                                      • 147
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                                      Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                                      THanks but recent research has shown the Vin # 119 was not documented so has been removed by Jim Gessner. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...son-saw-4.htmlOriginally Posted by jimgessner I have removed vin numbers 262 and 119 from the 1958 entries of PPE 2 (Milwaukee) and (Montgomery) cars in the REGISTRY OF CORVETTE RACE CARS. Both cars are missing..
                                      02-17-2014, 11:25 AM
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                                        • William K.
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                                          • November 1, 1977
                                          • 147
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                                          Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                                          Have determined that Roy Kumnick sold car to Ed Hamill in fall 1961 Ed Hamill rfaced car in SCCA for a few races . NOW TRYING TO DETERMINE WHO ED HAMILL SOLD IT TO IN 1962 If anyone knows contact bill Keogh at wllmkeogh@yahoo.com
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                                            • Loren L.
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                                              • April 30, 1976
                                              • 4104
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                                              Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                                              Dare we ask how the deceased Mr. Kumnick (or what other unnamed source) communicated Mr. Hamil's ownership. I seem to recall that it was not too long ago that you declared that Mr Kumnick was NOT in the ownership chain.....
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                                                • William K.
                                                  Very Frequent User
                                                  • November 1, 1977
                                                  • 147
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                                                  Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                                                  Loren(a) Please refresh my memory when I stated Mr. Kumnick was not in ownership chainI do not think so but I doubt it due to many obvious resource siteshttp://registryofcorvetteracecars.com/ee/index.php/site/view_cars/244Status: Original production 58 Purple People Eater racer. Jim Jeffords raced this car to SCCA B/P National Championship in 1958. Car was sold to Bob Spooner then sold to Roy Kimmnick. Both gentleman raced it SCCA. Location of this car is currently unknown. Roy Kimmnick now deceased looked for over 20 years for the car.References: Nickey Chevrolet, Tom Stephani, Vintage Motorposrt, No 5, Sept-Oct 2006, pages 56-71.(b) MORE IMPORTANT SEE THE VERY INVOLVED FORUM DISCUSSION AND RESEARCH OF MINE AThttp://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvettes/3407397-nickey-1958-corvette-ppe-number-two-1-race-only-need-colour-picture-or-person-saw-7.htmlALSO ED Hamill HAD TO HAVE BOUGHT Nickey PPE #1 see solid evidence Solid Evidence: Roy Kumnick last race with the Nickey 1958 PPE #1 car was was Aug 8 1961 at Indianopolis The first race in SCCA by Ed Hamill was Per RAcing Sports CAr Site FIRST RACE OF ED HAMILL Year: 1961DateRaceNo.CarDriversEntrantResult3.9.1961 Mansfield [BM+CM+DM+EM+BP+CP+FL] Chevrolet Corvette Ed Hamill ?th THIS MAKES SENSE SINCE A MONTH AFTER LAST RACE BY ED HAmill ALSO www.classicdriver.com/en/car/hamill/sr- 3/1965/137223 Cached Chicago-based American Ed Hamill NOTE: Hamill's workshop neighbour, and renowned Corvette racer, Roy Kumnick 1.registryofcorvetteracecars.comregistryofcorvette racecars.com/ee/ index.php/site/showcar2/897 CachedUnique Characteristics: Roy raced Corvettes for many years beginning in 1961. He owned and or raced The "Purple People Eater #1", ... Ed Hamill and Bob Spooner.I am not infallible and am human so you are free to "dare ask" I am not able to also speak with those deceased people who have passed onSo you will just have to accept my humble attempts along with Jim Gessner, Tom Stephani , etc that I have been communicating with to solve the mysteryPleaee if you get time look at the 143 posts discussion in the Corvette Forum I have sited plus have the kindness to have a little bit of respectIf I have corrected along the way ( i.e. after you point it out to me) a statement I have made in my research on this matter accept my deepest apology for confusing you Bill Keogh
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                                                    • Loren L.
                                                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                                                      • April 30, 1976
                                                      • 4104
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                                                      Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                                                      Originally posted by William Keogh (1610)
                                                      Loren(a) Please refresh my memory when I stated Mr. Kumnick was not in ownership chainI do not think so but I doubt it due to many obvious resource siteshttp://registryofcorvetteracecars.com/ee/index.php/site/view_cars/244Status: Original production 58 Purple People Eater racer. Jim Jeffords raced this car to SCCA B/P National Championship in 1958. Car was sold to Bob Spooner then sold to Roy Kimmnick. Both gentleman raced it SCCA. Location of this car is currently unknown. Roy Kimmnick now deceased looked for over 20 years for the car.References: Nickey Chevrolet, Tom Stephani, Vintage Motorposrt, No 5, Sept-Oct 2006, pages 56-71.(b) MORE IMPORTANT SEE THE VERY INVOLVED FORUM DISCUSSION AND RESEARCH OF MINE AThttp://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvettes/3407397-nickey-1958-corvette-ppe-number-two-1-race-only-need-colour-picture-or-person-saw-7.htmlALSO ED Hamill HAD TO HAVE BOUGHT Nickey PPE #1 see solid evidence Solid Evidence: Roy Kumnick last race with the Nickey 1958 PPE #1 car was was Aug 8 1961 at Indianopolis The first race in SCCA by Ed Hamill was Per RAcing Sports CAr Site FIRST RACE OF ED HAMILL Year: 1961DateRaceNo.CarDriversEntrantResult3.9.1961 Mansfield [BM+CM+DM+EM+BP+CP+FL] Chevrolet Corvette Ed Hamill ?th THIS MAKES SENSE SINCE A MONTH AFTER LAST RACE BY ED HAmill ALSO www.classicdriver.com/en/car/hamill/sr- 3/1965/137223 Cached Chicago-based American Ed Hamill NOTE: Hamill's workshop neighbour, and renowned Corvette racer, Roy Kumnick 1.registryofcorvetteracecars.comregistryofcorvette racecars.com/ee/ index.php/site/showcar2/897 CachedUnique Characteristics: Roy raced Corvettes for many years beginning in 1961. He owned and or raced The "Purple People Eater #1", ... Ed Hamill and Bob Spooner.I am not infallible and am human so you are free to "dare ask" I am not able to also speak with those deceased people who have passed onSo you will just have to accept my humble attempts along with Jim Gessner, Tom Stephani , etc that I have been communicating with to solve the mysteryPleaee if you get time look at the 143 posts discussion in the Corvette Forum I have sited plus have the kindness to have a little bit of respectIf I have corrected along the way ( i.e. after you point it out to me) a statement I have made in my research on this matter accept my deepest apology for confusing you Bill Keogh
                                                      The above 13 lines may be the IDEAL example and best indicator of the "depths" and "value" of this "research". If one can possibly read (and re-read it 4 or 5 times), it apparently now quotes the "registry" as referring to this thread as "MOST IMPORTANT", "VERY INVOLVED" and "RESEARCH OF MINE" (although who "mine" is is not very clear); it then states as "Solid Evidence" of a Kumnick-Hamil sale that RK's last race was Indy 8/8/61 and that EH's First race was 9/3/61 at another location, ie, THEREFORE THAT CAR WAS PPE #1, certainly OBVIOUS to anyone; the author than admits to being "not infallible" and fortunately, "human" and to being "humble" and invokes the names of Gessner and Stephani and asks for "kindness" and "respect" while offering his "deepest apology for confusing" in "the 143 posts discussion...I have sited" (sic).

                                                      Apology accepted. Confusion continues, however, with your repreated quotes of Mr Stephani when you quote him (post #17) as stating: "Couldn't see the picture referred to, but I'd like to correct one statement. I do NOT HAVE PROOF that the Montogmery race was the only race the #2 car ran. IN FACT, until we started corrresponding, I DIDN'T KNOW what the car did or didn't do, WHERE or WHEN it was sold, and WHO bought it. It has ALWAYS BEEN A MYSTERY to me and there is NOTHING in the Nickey archives about it. I'm NOT sure Ronnie can
                                                      verify that it was only one race either. I have looked at my old e-mails and DON'T THINK THAT I EVER STATED THAT IT WAS A MONTGOMERY ONLY CAR. Just trying to make the record clear. Thanks. Tom" (Caps in quote supplied)

                                                      To return to your leadoff question, I assume that if I provide the quote, you will instantly be able to recall the post #: "Appears that Roy Kumnick did not EVER own a 1959 or 1958 Nickey PPE Corvette (see below)" (Again, CAPS supplied)
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                                                        • William K.
                                                          Very Frequent User
                                                          • November 1, 1977
                                                          • 147
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                                                          Re: Roy Kumnick SCCA B/P racer 1958 Corvette former PPE #1 Nickey car

                                                          With respect to the confusion and the new hopes to solve riddle(a) Ronnie Kaplan unfortunately deceased a short while ago(b) I was able to finally get hold of Ed Hamill and left phone message who was a very close fried of the deceased Roy Kumnick and am waiting for for answers to a lot of questions he can solve(c) Brother of Ed Hamill (i.e. Chuck Hamill himself a former SCCA racer with 1957 FI car + Maseratti etc) who I spoke to two days ago has confirmed to me that his broth diod not buy the Roy Kumnick 1958 Nickey PPE car that Roy had but that Ed Hamill started his SCCA racing with a brand new 1960 Corvette race car around time Roy Kumnick was switching cars (d) I have been in contact with widow of Roy Kumnick (i.e. Cherrie) and have asked her to look for certain relevant information and pictures etcAs you can see I am doing things not just searching internet for other people information. However if someone else has already invented the wheel on the internet I am not one to pretend I invented it and give them credit whenever I refer to things (i.e. Check detailed 145 posts thread going on on Corvette Forum that I initiated and am involved withon the 1958 Nickey PPe cars)I have been in contact in this process with Tom Stephani who has been pleasant and who has retained over the years since his father lost the dealership through bankruptcy all the dealership records.He has many reasons of course why he does not want to divulge the details of these two cars which as in the case of the Chip Miller (deceased) 1959 Nickey Mark 111 corvette he eventually did provide the complete dealer paperwork for since it was obvious Chip with alternative evidence and $100,000 restoration and never going to sell car.Stay tuned the confusion will eventually clear as I will stay on it .It only took me 13 years to solve the riddles on my former 1956 corvette (I.e. The Boat House Corvette) see past Corvette Restorer magazine article It only took me 7 years to solve the riddles on one of my current Corvettes (i.e. 1965 Coupe high hp small block )(i.e. former V.V.Cooke Chevrolet sold drag car that is listed in the Kentucky Motorsport Hall of Fame internet site and on the Corvette Registry of race cars)I am 72 years old and very very early NCRS member .Best wishesBill Keogh
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