Offered '65 Fuelie Coupe - no VIN on engine pad. $$$?

[William D.]

Re: Offered '65 Fuelie Coupe - no VIN on engine pad. $$$?

Just looked at the add. Shouldn't the VIN plate have rosette rivets?

[Oliver S.]

Re: Offered '65 Fuelie Coupe - no VIN on engine pad. $$$?

According to Noland Adam's Guide #7811 was the first with rosette rivets. Hence, this one seem fine.

Oliver

[James G.]

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Oliver

Without paperwork/warranty book and without the original block, it's difficult to determine if the car was originally an FI car. As previously mentioned, most of the clues are easily duplicated.

There is, however, one way that separates the real cars from the memorex copies.

If the front fiberglass is original, you can look under the front fenders to see if there were two extra emblem holes that have been filled just above the holes/studs for the fuel injection emblems.

If the car has been converted to fuel injection, the original crossed flag side fender emblem would have been removed and the holes filled.

You can only learn what is there if you remove any blackout paint from that area.

The fiberglass in that area should show the original texture of un-sanded fiberglass. That will include the hairs of the glass.

If you see evidence of filled holes and/or body work, that means that at some point, someone removed the flag emblem and added the fuel injection emblems.

If the fiberglass is the original factory installed panels, and there are no extra holes for the side flag, I would say there's a real good chance you have a real FI 65.

Other than that, there's no way to prove anything.

You are so correct Mike. I have received three calls on the car, and said to all , ''it needs an inspection''. Hopefully that can be done this weekend or next week.

[Mike E.]

Re: Offered '65 Fuelie Coupe - no VIN on engine pad. $$$?

According to Noland Adam's Guide #7811 was the first with rosette rivets. Hence, this one seem fine.

Oliver

They might go a few cars later than that or there may have been a mix for short time. I have no reason to believe the VIN tag was changed on my car during the first 12 years of it's life prior to me owning it. One interesting thing about my tag and the Craig's List car is the 8 in same position as mine has the same kind of mess up look.

My Car


CL Car




Mike

[Charles M.]

Re: Offered '65 Fuelie Coupe - no VIN on engine pad. $$$?

I have 65 coupe #7780, round rivets and strange looking 8

[John D.]

Re: Offered '65 Fuelie Coupe - no VIN on engine pad. $$$?

With Olivers good info then one can definitely say the fuel injection unit is a service replacement. It's actually the 107th '64 FI unit built. Now this is not to say the car isn't the real deal. Just stating that it would not be typical for a Jan 65 car to be sporting an FI unit that would be roughly correct for a Jan 64 FI car.

Forgot to say for those of you that don't know. THe FI unit serial numbers started off like a checkbook. 1000, 1001, etc. So 1107 = the 107th job/unit.
Prototype 63 units were single digit numbers but that's another story.

When looking at a fuel car whether for judging or inspection put your finger nail on the ID tag (rivited on to the drivers side top left corner) and see if the numbers stick up a tad. Few repro tags have this original feature. If the tag is smooth then it's a silk screened repro aka fake.

Blue print for the tag says: .032+- .002 reverse etched.

[John D.]

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ChuckALL 8's on FI tags from 1957 thru 1965 have a strange looking 8' Can't duplicate it with my keyboard. The 8 they used resembles a small case g.
The 8 has a little curly Q on the top right corner.
Story: The first time that the BG event moved to Springfield, IL an old fellow came up to me and said, "You have a nice looking tag but you 8 is wrong. He said when you go home look at the 8's and you will see the error. Never saw the fellow again.

Dangerous in our hobby using the for ALL you know but it this case the word is correct. John

[Doug M.]

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Here's two more data points; both Canadian-delivered fuelies.1964 VIN 14732 (stamped on front boss of doghouse, IRRC) with 380 series unit, tag stamped 20871965 VIN 06114 stamped on usual place (pass rear corner of doghouse) tag #2642. I used to own this unit; now united with its original car.

Wayne,Curious about what IRRC stands for with respect to 1964 VIN 14732 ?Thanks, Doug

[Vinnie P.]

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Wayne,Curious about what IRRC stands for with respect to 1964 VIN 14732 ?Thanks, Doug

Doug...
I think it should be IIRC

If I Recall Correctly

[Wayne M.]

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Doug...
I think it should be IIRC

If I Recall Correctly

Doug and Vinnie -- right you are; I noticed it too late to edit, and didn't think it was worth a corrective post.

[Doug M.]

Re: Offered '65 Fuelie Coupe - no VIN on engine pad. $$$?

Here's two more data points; both Canadian-delivered fuelies.1964 VIN 14732 (stamped on front boss of doghouse, IRRC) with 380 series unit, tag stamped 20871965 VIN 06114 stamped on usual place (pass rear corner of doghouse) tag #2642. I used to own this unit; now united with its original car.

Wayne,Have recently acquired a 65 with a FI unit . Double checking , it is stamped 4114732 on front and ser. # 2087. Pretty sure it was added around 1976, give or take.Does that add up to any of your history?Doug

[Wayne M.]

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Wayne,Have recently acquired a 65 with a FI unit . Double checking , it is stamped 4114732 on front and ser. # 2087. Pretty sure it was added around 1976, give or take.Does that add up to any of your history? Doug

Are you saying that the '64 unit I saw on a '64 Corvette (red coupe on red/white vinyl interior) in Montreal, in the summer of 1975 is now on your 1965 Corvettte ?

I took 2 pics of the FI unit on the car, and another 3 shots of the car in the driveway of the owner Louis Delisle, while he was washing it. He had it for sale in the newspaper. I'm sure I got the VIN off the FI unit, as it would have been impolite to open the door and read the tags under the glove box, especially as I wasn't a serious buyer.

Data in the GM Canada microfiche records confirm the car delivered to Quebec dealer #6746 and trim is 2491 (491 is two-tone vinyl) on 23AA exterior (ie. 923 red). No options are shown on these documents until the 1967 MY .

[Doug M.]

Re: Offered '65 Fuelie Coupe - no VIN on engine pad. $$$?

Are you saying that the '64 unit I saw on a '64 Corvette (red coupe on red/white vinyl interior) in Montreal, in the summer of 1975 is now on your 1965 Corvettte ?I took 2 pics of the FI unit on the car, and another 3 shots of the car in the driveway of the owner Louis Delisle, while he was washing it. He had it for sale in the newspaper. I'm sure I got the VIN off the FI unit, as it would have been impolite to open the door and read the tags under the glove box, especially as I wasn't a serious buyer.Data in the GM Canada microfiche records confirm the car delivered to Quebec dealer #6746 and trim is 2491 (491 is two-tone vinyl) on 23AA exterior (ie. 923 red). No options are shown on these documents until the 1967 MY .

Wayne, Yes, that is the unit that is on my car. Looks and performs like a work of art.Thanks for your information. Will do some more investigating.Doug

[Oliver S.]

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Here is another FI coupe currently for sale

http://www.westcoastcollectorcars.com/1965CorvetteBlue.html

[Mike M.]

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if one looks at the pad on this 65 375 hp block, it appears that the horizontal component of the G in the suffix(HG) is stamped DEEPER than the rest of the G. since a 65 300HP power glide chevy pass car suffix was HC, i wonder if the horizontal component of the G was added after the block left flint. mike