1957 repro VIN plate

[Kent S.]

As you know, the early tags are held on with screws and prone to being lost. If a car has a reproduction VIN plate (matches the title) can it be flight judged?

[Art B.]

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Kent:
To my surprise I could not find any information on the '57 VIN tag in the latest Tech Information Manual and Judging Guide. I don't know of any company reproducing these but I would think that it could be flight judged if it appears close to the original tags. I think the judges are looking also at the attaching screws which should be #8 phillips pan head.

[Kent S.]

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Thanks and I believe I've got my answer.

[Harry S.]

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As you know, the early tags are held on with screws and prone to being lost. If a car has a reproduction VIN plate (matches the title) can it be flight judged?

I strongly suggest you contact the Judging Team Leader. His is the only opinion that matters.

[Kent S.]

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I strongly suggest you contact the Judging Team Leader. His is the only opinion that matters.

Thanks, I did.

[Don H.]

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If I remember correctly, if a car is presented for Flight Judging and the VIN tag or trim tag is ruled to be not original, that car is PERMANENTLY banned from NCRS judging. Don H.

[Tracy C.]

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If I remember correctly, if a car is presented for Flight Judging and the VIN tag or trim tag is ruled to be not original, that car is PERMANENTLY banned from NCRS judging. Don H.

Don, You are correct to a point. If and only if the owner gets a state issued VIN tag replacement, the counterfeit flag is lifted and car can be flight judged again. State issued VIN tags vary from state to state and I'm told some states will issue the original number back to the car if the owner has a clean title.

tc

[Dick W.]

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Kent:
To my surprise I could not find any information on the '57 VIN tag in the latest Tech Information Manual and Judging Guide. I don't know of any company reproducing these but I would think that it could be flight judged if it appears close to the original tags. I think the judges are looking also at the attaching screws which should be #8 phillips pan head.

There are at least two, if not three makers of those plates

[Kenneth B.]

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And have been for many,many years. I bought a 1965 Corvette years ago that was a theft recovery after the owner had the police inspect the car' Luckily it had the original motor & the frame #'s matched the good title. He got a notarized letter from the police & sent it along with a copy of the title & got a repo VIN # that matched the title. This was IN.

[David B.]

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Don and Tracy are correct. We will not judge a Corvette that has a VIN tag that we deem to have not been attached to the subject car by General Motors at the time of original manufacture. The way to get the Counterfeit brand removed is to get a state-issued VIN tag, or to provide other documentation that confirms that your original tag was removed from your car and subsequently re-attached to the same vehicle. Any evidence that an otherwise GM-manufactured tag has been removed from the car will lead to many questions you really don't want to have to answer. I strongly recommend that you resist the temptation to "freshen up" your tag by removing it and re-attaching; the risk is not worth the reward. Although we evaluate VIN and Trim tags, we do not judge them; you will not lose any points for an aged tag. Also, you will not lose any points for having a legitimately-issued state replacement tag on your car; NCRS will not penalize anyone for obeying the law. Dave

[Jeff C.]

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I have a 1962 that has been judged several times with no problem. It has a state issued VIN plate attached to the door jam. I don't know what the original VIN was as I could not read it off of the frame and did not want to cut a hole in the floor. You have a interesting problem with the title matching what you know is a reproduction VIN tag.

[Larry C.]

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I would assume that a State that issued a replacement VIN, same # or different, would also issue a new/corrected title for that vehicle. Consequently, the VIN would match the title #.

Larry

[Tom P.]

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What are the consequences if an ORIGINAL VIN tag is attached with rivets instead of the "correct" style pan head Phillips screws?
When we did the frame off on my 56 MANY years ago, I attached the original VIN tag, after painting, with rivets specifically for assuring that it would be MUCH MORE secure.

[Tracy C.]

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What are the consequences if an ORIGINAL VIN tag is attached with rivets instead of the "correct" style pan head Phillips screws?

Tom, Thats a really good question, but I suspect the Team Leader may respectfully decline the opportunity to Judge the car. Rivets instead of screws would be something that may cause a legal controversy downstream. The NCRS isn't obligated to judge anyones car and one that has a non typical VIN tag installation would be good one to avoid.

tc

[Jeff C.]

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To futher expand my answer my car had a state issued vin tag from the state of Georgia, GA66646. Yes, when they issued the tag they also retitled it to that vin. When I bought it it had been registered in California for 5 plus years with that vin. I am thinking that the only solution to Kent's problem that would be acceptable to the NCRS judges is to get a state issued vin tag. Also I would worry if I sold the car, in to days world, with a reporuction vin I might get sued. On the upside the NCRS does not deduct any points for a state issued vin tag.The car can get any NCRS award that it warrants on its merits. On the down side most people think some thing terrible must have happened to the car.
Jeff