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  • Steven S.
    Frequent User
    • June 27, 2013
    • 86

    1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

    Hello again. I have a thing for 1970 Corvettes, and found another one I would like to buy. The problem with this one is, there is a 10 month lag between the Casting Date and the Stamp Date on the engine block.

    Please let me know your opinions about this, after looking at the photos below of the Trim Tag, Cast Date, and Pad Stamp. It is a simple 300hp car, 4-speed. I do not think the motor has ever been out of the car, so I am here to ask for your opinions.

    The owner has had the car for 15 years, and does not know much about Corvettes. The previous owner had it more than 10 years, and also lived in the small tow where the current owner is.

    He had to use a lot of brake cleaner and elbow grease to get the Casting Date readable, and that is when I discovered it is June 2, 1969. As I was photographing the Cast Date, I didn't know, but he was using a Scotch-Brite pad to clean the Engne Pad so we could read it better. We could not see the top, right side of the 1 in April 1st before the cleaning, and now you can see that the 1 looks like a capital letter i.

    The Build Date of the car is May 13, 1970. The engine Pad Stamp is April 1, 1970. This is a 10 month lag between Cast Date and Stamp Date. From what I have read, the NCRS guidelines are only 6 months. I know that 1970 was a crazy year, after the UAW strike in 1969, so it is possible that this could be a legitimate 10 month lag between Cast and Strike dates?

    Please have a look at the photos below, and let me know your opinions.

    Car VIN # 9140
    Car Build Date - May 13, 1970
    Block Cast # - 3970010
    Block Cast Date - June 2, 1969
    Block Stamp- 70s409140 V0401CTD

    Thank you again,

    Steve Sperrazza











  • Pat M.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • April 1, 2006
    • 1575

    #2
    Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

    Bump. Steven, I'm no pad expert, and can't comment on the cast/stamp date differential, but the characters on the stamp pad I can see look really similar to my 70 base car's pad (placement, depth of certain characters, unique lookng "1" on engine code), which has never been questioned in judging. Hopefully, someone more experienced will comment on your ultimate question.

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    • Steven S.
      Frequent User
      • June 27, 2013
      • 86

      #3
      Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

      Hi Pat,

      Thank you for your input here. I looked at the car again, and bought it. I am a sucker for a white 70 convertible, lol. Can't wait for it to be delivered to Boca Raton soon.

      Have a great weekend,

      Steve

      Originally posted by Pat Moresi (45581)
      Bump. Steven, I'm no pad expert, and can't comment on the cast/stamp date differential, but the characters on the stamp pad I can see look really similar to my 70 base car's pad (placement, depth of certain characters, unique lookng "1" on engine code), which has never been questioned in judging. Hopefully, someone more experienced will comment on your ultimate question.

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      • Kenneth H.
        Expired
        • October 27, 2008
        • 500

        #4
        Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

        Steve, congratulations, and when you get your new purchase home, take a closer look at the casting date. You might be pleasantly surprised. Try cleaning it again. The "9" in the casting date could actually be a "0" that either has some nasty crud on it or could have been moderately damaged over the years.

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        • Michael W.
          Expired
          • April 1, 1997
          • 4290

          #5
          Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

          Originally posted by Kenneth Hoffman (49631)
          The "9" in the casting date could actually be a "0" that either has some nasty crud on it or could have been moderately damaged over the years.
          Let's hope not. A June '70 cast block would be well after the assembly date for both the engine and car.

          Congrats on buying the car Steve. Think it will go well with your white tutu?

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          • Peter S.
            Very Frequent User
            • March 28, 2012
            • 327

            #6
            Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

            Originally posted by Michael Ward (29001)
            Let's hope not. A June '70 cast block would be well after the assembly date for both the engine and car.

            Congrats on buying the car Steve. Think it will go well with your white tutu?
            Unless I am missing something, I think you have mistaken Steve for someone else.

            Peter

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            • Kenneth H.
              Expired
              • October 27, 2008
              • 500

              #7
              Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

              Oops! That wouldn't work, would it? Instead of being "pleasantly surprised" Steve would be a very unhappy camper.

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              • Michael W.
                Expired
                • April 1, 1997
                • 4290

                #8
                Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

                ooops! You're right. Gotta get my avatars right!

                Originally posted by Peter Stout (54749)
                Unless I am missing something, I think you have mistaken Steve for someone else.

                Peter

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                • Terry M.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • September 30, 1980
                  • 15596

                  #9
                  Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

                  Originally posted by Steven Sperrazza (12077)
                  Hi Pat,

                  Thank you for your input here. I looked at the car again, and bought it. I am a sucker for a white 70 convertible, lol. Can't wait for it to be delivered to Boca Raton soon.

                  Have a great weekend,

                  Steve
                  Steve,
                  I too am a sucker for 1970s. Bring that thing to the Winter Regional in January. I want to see it.

                  How far is Boca from Orlando?
                  Terry

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                  • Steven S.
                    Frequent User
                    • June 27, 2013
                    • 86

                    #10
                    Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

                    Hi Terry,

                    I will definitely be in Orlando/Kissimmee this January. The drive is about 3 hours on the Florida Turnpike from Boca Raton.

                    I look forward to meeting you there.

                    Steve

                    Originally posted by Terry McManmon (3966)
                    Steve,
                    I too am a sucker for 1970s. Bring that thing to the Winter Regional in January. I want to see it.

                    How far is Boca from Orlando?

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                    • Terry M.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • September 30, 1980
                      • 15596

                      #11
                      Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

                      Originally posted by Steven Sperrazza (12077)
                      Hi Terry,

                      I will definitely be in Orlando/Kissimmee this January. The drive is about 3 hours on the Florida Turnpike from Boca Raton.

                      I look forward to meeting you there.

                      Steve
                      I plan to be there, so let's stay in touch.
                      Terry

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                      • Paul D.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • January 1, 1988
                        • 101

                        #12
                        Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

                        I had a 1970 coupe vin 15xxx mid july car loaded....350/350hp.......block was cast in Dec '69.....I was 3rd owner...

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                        • Mark E.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • April 1, 1993
                          • 4531

                          #13
                          Re: 1970 Engine Pad vs Cast Date - 10 months? Please help

                          On my 1970, it's nine months from engine block casting (H259) to engine assembly (T0608CZU):

                          VIN: 194370s412931
                          Certification label on door jam: 194370s412931 R 6-70 (June 1970)
                          Body build date from trim plate: F22 (June 22)
                          Engine pad: 70S412931 T0608CZU (Suggests engine assembly on June 8, 1970)
                          Cyl head casting # & dates: 3964290 D1570 (both) (April 15, 1970)
                          Intake manifold casting # & date: 3855287 E870 (May 8, 1970)
                          Engine block casting # & date: 3963512 H259 (August 25, 1969)

                          See my separate thread from March 2015: "Can this 1970 LS-5 block casting date be original to the car?"
                          Mark Edmondson
                          Dallas, Texas
                          Texas Chapter

                          1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                          1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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