Accurate, to date, NCRS Award Statistics

[Kevin G.]

Folks,
I'm very interested statistical information of the to date totals of our NCRS Awards. A complete total list, Flighted cars (broken into 1st, 2nd, 3rd flights) Bowtie cars, Duntov cars, Duntov/Bowtie cars, Founders cars, McLellan cars, etc. Yes, I'm aware there used to be some information published, but it was outdated by the first printing. Of course any list will not include results from meets not entered into the system at this moment. Surely a couple strokes on the keyboard could produce this information?

[Dick W.]

Re: Accurate, to date, NCRS Award Statistics

Folks,
I'm very interested statistical information of the to date totals of our NCRS Awards. A complete total list, Flighted cars (broken into 1st, 2nd, 3rd flights) Bowtie cars, Duntov cars, Duntov/Bowtie cars, Founders cars, McLellan cars, etc. Yes, I'm aware there used to be some information published, but it was outdated by the first printing. Of course any list will not include results from meets not entered into the system at this moment. Surely a couple strokes on the keyboard could produce this information?

Contact your Regional Director and make this request. I agree it probably would not take a lot to run one, but I do know the IT team is very busy, SWAMPED!, right now. I would not expect the report anytime soon.

[Kevin G.]

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Contact your Regional Director and make this request. I agree it probably would not take a lot to run one, but I do know the IT team is very busy, SWAMPED!, right now. I would not expect the report anytime soon.

Thanks for your advice Mr. Wittington! I will send a copy to my local rep. This question was previously asked a couple years ago, prior to the advancements made by our current IT Team, and fell on deaf ears. (Joking, they really didn't have the ability to hit a couple keys at the time.)
I am asking again and posted here on the Tech. board so others could see and add their comments.

I never make excuses to my customers that I'm toooo busy to answer their questions! I'd be out of business, I'm always busy........

[Vinnie P.]

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Kevin...I'm currently working on a special issue of The Restorer for next summer (40th Anniversary of NCRS, it will be quite an eye opener as to our history for those who joined after 1999 when Dennis Clark & I did the 25th Anniversary issue)

Let me run your request by the National Board and also the publications committee...and I'll see if they will let it fly...would be a great article/database to publish for the 40th Anniversary.

Vinnie

[Gary B.]

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Vinnie,

I had the same sort of question when helping to organize the American Heritage display when the National was in San Jose a few years ago. I wanted to know, is there is a comprehensive list of cars that have received the American Heritage award, with year of car, owner at the time of award, year award given, maybe a 1-para bio of the car, etc. It should be possible to create and maintain current such a list and I think that information could prove invaluable, perhaps to organizers of future AH displays.

Gary

[Roy S.]

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I never make excuses to my customers that I'm toooo busy to answer their questions! I'd be out of business, I'm always busy........

Kevin, not to defend myself in this chain but since it is a direct shot at me, I will, I would venture to guess in your business there are more than three employees or your do not have a client base of 15,600 plus customers. If you only have three employees and you have 15,600 customers I promise there are a lot of things that do not get answered. The priorities are not always the same and in fact seldom established by the workers, in any organization.

[Dave S.]

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Kevin, not to defend myself in this chain but since it is a direct shot at me, I will, I would venture to guess in your business there are more than three employees or your do not have a client base of 15,600 plus customers. If you only have three employees and you have 15,600 customers I promise there are a lot of things that do not get answered. The priorities are not always the same and in fact seldom established by the workers, in any organization.

Roy,
In your defense I had asked a year or two ago to have those judging award numbers updated on the judging awards section of the NCRS webpage. I believe you did that. That section did not include the double award cars ( Bowtie/Duntov etc.) but as i recall it included all the other award totals.
It may be time to update it again. Maybe if/when the new National judging Chairman finds a free day he can assist with that update. I think it is important to keep those numbers up to date.

[Kevin G.]

Re: Accurate, to date, NCRS Award Statistics

Kevin...I'm currently working on a special issue of The Restorer for next summer (40th Anniversary of NCRS, it will be quite an eye opener as to our history for those who joined after 1999 when Dennis Clark & I did the 25th Anniversary issue)

Let me run your request by the National Board and also the publications committee...and I'll see if they will let it fly...would be a great article/database to publish for the 40th Anniversary.

Vinnie

Vinnie,

No intention of sending more work your way, or specifically to anyone directly. I would think several people would be needed to compile, publish etc. If in anyway I can help, please let me know. An article in your 40th sounds great!

Kevin, not to defend myself in this chain but since it is a direct shot at me

Roy , No sir! This was not a shot at you! More so directed at the IT team (which I wish I could help?). However, I did take a little jab with the "fell on deaf ears" remark, which I quickly stated, joking. Without sitting in your chair, I couldn't imagine all you've heard and seen. I will be the first to admit I could never do the job!

Roy,
In your defense I had asked a year or two ago to have those judging award numbers updated on the judging awards section of the NCRS webpage. I believe you did that. That section did not include the double award cars ( Bowtie/Duntov etc.) but as i recall it included all the other award totals.
It may be time to update it again. Maybe if/when the new National judging Chairman finds a free day he can assist with that update. I think it is important to keep those numbers up to date.

Dave, I was hoping for a complete total list.

Free Day, I like that!

[Gary C.]

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Kevin,

The "wish list" is long and distinguished. Priorities and need are set for each enhancement requested. The IT cup overruneth.

Sorry, I don't find any humor at your jab "More so directed at the IT team".

We do pretty darned good for free labor supporting NCRS, the membership and 44 Chapters.

Gary
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[Joe R.]

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The priorities are not always the same and in fact seldom established by the workers, in any organization.[/QUOTE]


Roy,

Let us not forget that the NCRS is owned lock stock and barrel by its members and yes thru voting they do establish the priorities, hire and pay someone to keep records.
While I do not approve of anyone demanding statistics, the members do have the right to request anything they wish.

JR

PS. And yes I understand that 90% of the work done in this organization is done by volunteers!

[Kevin G.]

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Gary, Please, the remark was made as a reply to Dick's information. That is all. It was tongue in cheek.

To add, the posted question was not a demand but a simple request for an accurate list. I've never seen one? The folks that are the best with the computers (not me) would I assume be the best to ask for help? My "typed" wording again has me in trouble, but all I was after was some what I thought useful and interesting information..........

[Mark D.]

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You guys think you have it rough, try being an airline pilot...

[Vinnie P.]

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You guys think you have it rough, try being an airline pilot...

Captain, my Captain...I thought you just learned to drive a bus...what's this about being an airline pilot?...after all...just look at your avatar!!!

[Don H.]

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People clamored and agitated for a new For Sale/ Wanted forum for a good six months, and that was approved. So, the IT Team has been working on that now nearly non-stop so it can come up on line sooner, rather than later. And then of course there are unforseen hacks that result in a crashing website that requires the IT team to find fixes even while traveling to or from the Convention. Then the IT team has been working since mid July to clean up all 44 Chapter websites, all this while members have been enjoying their Summer vacations. Might the IT team members have wanted their own vacation time too, during the Summer? It might be wise to withhold requests for purely discretionary information until after the new forum comes up on line. That way the IT members can handle all their NCRS voluntary duties, and still find a few minutes to enjoy their corvettes and spend time with their families?

[Kevin G.]

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Just so some of the newcomers and those unaware, I have been VERY patient concerning this exact topic/question. Below see the highlighted quote in a previous thread from 2008 that I had posed the SAME question. Not the only example.

IT team, question, do you really think a day will come when you're "caught up"? I think tomorrow holds a new surprise, just as the next day. I stand by my earlier statement that I'm always busy.........

I put no time limit on my request and if Mr. Hooper you care to reread I agreed with Mr. Peters that an article next year would be great. So plenty of time for vacations for all! Not all of us are able to communicate well in person let alone having others reading things into sentences written on line!

Sarcasm or tounge in cheek statements work well only face to face I suppose? I keep it in mind......

July 17th, 2008, 09:46 AM

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Kevin Goodman (43429)
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Re: Flight Judging Question

[quote=Lyle Chamberlain (24961);358229]
Originally Posted by Kevin Goodman (43429)
Lyle, Not all Duntov's are restored

I owned a five star Bowtie car that had the Duntov but the number that have done both is small. I also did a Founders with that car. I also drove 3500 miles to a national convention and got the longest driven, Sam Foltz and a Duntov with a restored car.A 97 is not easy to get restored,unrestored or a mix on the same car.



Lyle, Truely an amazing accomplishment, you must be very proud! I am on the same road, my requirements for the fifth star are behind me, and my article for the Restorer is finished and really to be submitted. Now that Foltz Award is another thing/issue! What year was your car? Do you still own it, very neat!

Originally Posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
After all of the above...

Bowtie/Second Flight - not tough to do.
Bowtie/Top Flight - tough but definitely not impossible. My car fits here.
Bowtie/Duntov - very difficult. Yes, they exist (I've seen several), but they're not common. As Jack notes, they're usually low mileage originals that keep many of their Condition points in Flight judging.

One caveat no matter what category of judging - the more options a car has, the more areas to lose points. On a very low option car like mine, the free points from not having AC, PS, etc are a definite bonus in all types of judging.

FYI, I drove my 72 to its Regional in 2003 and to the National in 2004 for Bowtie Judging. It can be done! See it on display in the NCRS Gallery at Carlisle this year.

Patrick



Patrick,
I'd like to know exactly how many Bowtie/Duntov cars are there? Yes, my car is a LOW mileage example, that was taken great care of. I also did benefit by having a low optioned car.

Congratulations on your invitation to the Gallery, Elaine/Frank couldn't have chosen a better example!

Jack,
I don't see the comparison between Bloomington Survivor and Bowtie/Duntov? Besides the percent of originality differences, the road trip at Bloomington doesn't add up to a PV plus the 10 mile road course and three 97% needed for the Duntov? Thoughts?

Kevin