Judges selling parts and / or services

[Edward M.]

Not sure where this should go, so I'll start here. A discussion came up on another forum about NCRS judges offering to sell parts and / or services to a member after the judge completed judging of that car. I don't know the details, and don't want to, but is this an activity that we allow? Or perhaps we don't actively discourage it. It sure seems like a conflict of interest to me. Thoughts?

[Bob D.]

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Ed

As far as I know, this is actively discouraged. Maybe Dave Brigham will chime in, but I know Roy always discouraged this sort of thing.

Bob

[Mark D.]

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is this an activity that we allow?...Thoughts?

This has got to be a joke...right? Please be specific, Ed.

Of course that is not allowed so, give up the person doing it. Please tell us who it is and the specifics. That's one Hell of an accusation so, please don't be vague.

[Harry S.]

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I believe that 13 month suspensions have been handed out for this.

[Edward M.]

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This has got to be a joke...right? Please be specific, Ed.

I don't think so. An NCRS member on CF has indicated that he is not renewing his membership. He cited this issue as part of the reason. I can't say this is the whole story, but I suggested that this member contact his regional representative about this issue. There are always two sides to a story, but this is what has been reported.

[Patrick H.]

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An NCRS member on CF has indicated that he is not renewing his membership. He cited this issue as part of the reason. I can't say this is the whole story, but I suggested that this member contact his regional representative about this issue. There are always two sides to a story, but this is what has been reported.

People decide not to renew for a multitude of reasons. I've seen this with NCRS, online forums, our local Corvette club, etc. I have learned that you can't please everyone all of the time, and what makes one member happy will probably make another one upset. I suspect that even if the person referred to in this post found out it doesn't happen, or more info came forward, he still wouldn't change his mind. But, that's just my observation.

[Kenneth B.]

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I also replied to the CF thread. It seemed fishy that he said that no ONE would respond to questions about judging & another said Judges tried to sell parts after judging. I suspect some NCRS haters. I am proud of all the people that responded positively for NCRS & offers to help the guy.

[Michael J.]

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I would hope NCRS judges would have more integrity. I do know of one of my other marques where the judges (and there are few and always the same ones) not only offer parts for sale, but also do restorations, mechanical, and other services like car locating.

[Michael W.]

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Here's the thread

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvettes/3319847-my-first-and-last-year-for-the-ncrs.html#post1584628242

Given the vague accusations, I suspect sour grapes of some sort. It always amazes me that these stories of horrible transgression rarely specify a name, date, place etc.

[Arland D.]

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Anyone involved with the buy, selling, trading, or brokering of cars and/or parts as a business has a potential conflict of interest when involved with the judging system of our cars and interacting with our members. Some get it and don't cross the line while others don't get it, never will and do cross the line. This type of activity is not appreciated by NCRS and any occurrence should be brought to the attention of your Regional Director so the BOD can review the details. This board isn't the correct venue to discuss specific details of member misconduct such as any wrong doing associated with conflict of interest. Please make your Regional Director aware of this type of activity if it occurs.

[Mark D.]

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Ed,

i see it, now. It's on the Corvette Forum. A fellow by the name of Paul R. Zailey, in Ohio, has made the accusation that, on three different occasions, judges approached him to sell parts after 57 judging. This was posted in a thread were a (typical) no-name individual stated NCRS had completely ignored his myriad requests for info. Of course, there were no specifics here, either.

All just 'drive-by' baseless, non specific complaints. Until specifics are made clear, I don't believe it. I believe the accusers are being less than honest...unless they want to provide specific details.

Anybody got an extra BS flag? I ran out.

Mark

[Reba W.]

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The last Judging Reference Manual included an added section for judges, their responsibility, and demeanor. Here is the statement that addresses this problem.

Any judge accused in writing of selling parts or services during the judging process (i.e. before all judging is completed) while participating as a team judge, will be temporarily suspended from participation in judging activities of NCRS. The suspension will be reviewed by the National Judging Chairman and the NCRS President who will determine if the suspension is to be removed or if the individual should be placed on permanent suspension from the judging process. If it is determined the suspension is unjustified, the suspension will be removed with no further consequences. If a first time suspension is removed, a second offense will result in permanent suspension from judging activities. The individual involved will be notified in writing of the final decision.

[Edward M.]

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The individual that posted about judges trying to sell him parts or services stated that this offer was made after his car was judged. This could have been after all judging was completed. If I read the rule posted above, the offer to sell parts and / or services after all judging is complete may be allowable. I can certainly envision a situation where a judge also has a vendor spot, and is selling parts / services at a meet. If the offer is made after judging is complete, perhaps no rule violation occurred. It may just be an "appearance of impropriety" in the opinion of the poster on CF.

[Mark D.]

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When we exclude all the judges that restore cars, locate cars, sell parts, do inspections and then...if we require that judges must have restored the year of car being judged...I can't wait to see who is left standing.

I'll be a casualty early and often in that process.

[Gary C.]

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An anonymous post has no merit or standing! An accusation with no specifics is absurd!

It's unbelievable that an unfounded anonymous CF post with non specific accusations would be propagated like it's fact.

Gary
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