1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

[Erv M.]

Is there a source of Guide or Wagner Headlamps similar to T3's.

Starting my quest to campaign my 1990 ZR1. Not really a great deal to find since it is bone stock minus;
Exhaust back from the cats
Headlamps are after market - looking for originals
Oil filter PF 970 - I hear Jerry's Gasket sales a reproduction label. Has anyone had any experience with his label?

[Joe L.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Is there a source of Guide or Wagner Headlamps similar to T3's.

Starting my quest to campaign my 1990 ZR1. Not really a great deal to find since it is bone stock minus;
Exhaust back from the cats
Headlamps are after market - looking for originals
Oil filter PF 970 - I hear Jerry's Gasket sales a reproduction label. Has anyone had any experience with his label?

Erv-----


There's no reproduction source I know of. Guide branded sealed beams have not been manufactured in many years. Wagner still manufactures sealed beams but, as you've probably found, their configuration is not the same as originals. However, these sealed beams were used on cars other than C4 Corvettes. So, you might find some in a salvage yard. Of course the problem will be, even if both high and low beams work now, how much life is left in them?

By the way, there were 3,383 GM applications which used the same configuration sealed beam

[Joe L.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Depends on the ser# of the car as to which headlight it should have. From the Revised 90-91 JRM: "ZR-1's with a serial number lower than 0500 must have Guide (Glass) headlamps; ZR-1's with serial numbers over 2000 must have Wagner (plastic) headlamps".

My comments in orange

Wagner still manufactures sealed beams but, as you've probably found, their configuration is not the same as originals.
Especially if they're the PLASTIC lens Wagners used in some PRODUCTION 1990 ZR-1 beginning with serial #500, and all ZR-1's from ser #2000-on.

However, these sealed beams were used on cars other than C4 Corvettes.
Really? The PLASTIC ones were?

So, you might find some in a salvage yard.
Not many ZR-1's in Salvage yards. What other models have PLASTIC Wagners other than most all C4's beginning in 91?

Of course the problem will be, even if both high and low beams work now, how much life is left in them?
Probably more than enough to get through a few Op's checks. Mine did. And they still work today, even though they're now off the car and in storage.

By the way, there were 3,383 GM applications which used the same configuration sealed beam.
As long as the serial number is 90 ZR-1 0001-0500, this is true. (Glass Guides). From serial number 0500-2,000 it can be either. From ser #2,000-up it had Plastic. With roughly 3,000 90 ZR-1's built there is a 60/40 chance that Erv's car had PLASTIC lens Wagner as PRODUCTION.

1) Wagner still manufactures the H6054 sealed beam which is the basic model used for all C4 Corvettes. The configuration of the current units is not the same as original whether one is referring to the all glass or plastic lens variety. I stated the the configuration of the current units is not the same as original. So, how is that incorrect? I stand by what I said.

2) How do you KNOW that the plastic lens versions of the Wagner lamps were not used on other GM vehicles (or, even non GM vehicles)? It seems unlikely to me that Wagner would have manufactured a special sealed beam for the exclusive use on Corvettes, ZR1 or otherwise. I'm not saying they did not; they might have. It just seems unlikely to me. In any event, my advice to Erv was based on the assumption that he has burned-out, non-functional lamps at present. Since there are no reproductions of either the Guide or Wagner original configuration lamps, he could obtain more correct, if not exactly correct, sealed beams by perusing local wrecking yards. I stand by that.

3) Of course used sealed beams would likely provide enough life to pass an operations test. That should be obvious even to an idiot. If an ops check is all that one is concerned with one could probably borrow a set of original configuration units. The fact is that with a used set of sealed beams, one does not know how much life is left in them. Period. That is what I said. How is that incorrect? I stand by what I said.

4) There were 3,383 GM applications that used the H6054 sealed beam which is what I was referring to when I said "same configuration". I did not say that all of those, or even ANY of those were exactly the same with respect to every nuance of detail. However, and once again, how do you KNOW that none were and, if so, how do you know it?

By the way, you've once again violated my request that you not respond directly to any of my posts (which, incidentally, is what you once asked me not to do to yours). I have respected your request except when you violate my similar request. In addition, I find your response taunting, critical-for-the-sake-of-being critical and, quite frankly, ignorant.

[Joe L.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

I can't help myself. I have to point out where the allmighty Joe Luca completely misses something. In this case, that a 1990 ZR-1 has a 60/40 chance of having PLASTIC headlamps.

You COMPLETELY missed that, Joe. So who's the ignorant one?
Have a nice day.

I missed that? Please show me where I stated that 1990 ZR1 did not have plastic headlamps? Please show me where ANYTHING I stated even implied that. In fact, I stated that the configuration of current Wagner sealed beams was not the same as originals. I have known for YEARS that some later C4's used Wagner sealed beams with plastic lenses. In fact, it's been discussed on this board in one way or another on numerous occasions. Big deal.

Also, you didn't respond with how you KNOW that these plastic lens sealed beams were not used for non-Corvette applications.

I don't consider this board to be a "stump-the-stars" or "gotcha" sort of place. It's a place for the polite, civil, and non-sarcastic exchange of information. I consider your use of the term "almighty Joe Luca [sic]}" to be a pejorative. That may be YOUR inference but it's certainly not how I feel or, as far as I know, how anyone else feels. In fact, I have stated many times on this board that I'm not always correct (but I do have the right to be incorrect). However, in the case of the information I provided with respect to these sealed beams, I am NOT incorrect. There may be more detail that I could have provided but that does not make anything I said incorrect.

[Don H.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Gentlemen,
please let it lay here, and this thread should be able to survive. It contains good worthwhile information that should not be lost because of a personality clash. We are all in this boat together out of our love of corvettes.

[Philip A.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Gentlemen,
please let it lay here, and this thread should be able to survive. It contains good worthwhile information that should not be lost because of a personality clash. We are all in this boat together out of our love of corvettes.

Don I could not agree more!!!! To ALL members reading this or any other post on the TDB, respond to the OP's question and help him or her. Do NOT reply to someone else's reply to the OP and this sort of thing can not happen.....and RESPECT eachother

[Dick W.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Gentlemen,
please let it lay here, and this thread should be able to survive. It contains good worthwhile information that should not be lost because of a personality clash. We are all in this boat together out of our love of corvettes.

If this clash continues TDB privileges will be revoked

[Erv M.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Thanks for the intermission now back to the thread. Need to keep it light as life is too short!

Anyone have experience with Jerry's Gasket label for the oil filter for judging?

Also anyone have a source for used headlamps?

[Ed N.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Thanks for the intermission now back to the thread. Need to keep it light as life is too short!

Anyone have experience with Jerry's Gasket label for the oil filter for judging?

Also anyone have a source for used headlamps?

Erv, PM me, I have new and used HP6054 Wagner headlights if that's what you need.

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[Erv M.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

pm sent,

Thanks

[Ed N.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Erv, my inbox was full (sorry). Please try again.

[Erv M.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Anyone have experience with Jerry's Gasket label for the oil filter for judging?

[Patrick H.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Anyone have experience with Jerry's Gasket label for the oil filter for judging?

Erv,

As someone who is making labels I'll comment.

First, it's available. That's a huge step in the right direction.
Second, it's cheap. I can tell you that for my exhaust labels it costs a couple thousand to have them printed up on a material that will withstand the heat and not fall off. This cost has to be passed on to the consumer.
Third, the points assigned to the filter as a whole are 3 for originality and 3 for condition. Extrapolate that to "maybe" 1 point for the label if the judge wants to be picky.

What it comes down to is this - unless you have countless hours to spend researching, prototyping and printing I'd buy the label and use it.
There are no other sources and while it may not be an original label on an original filter it looks like an excellent reproduction to me. I would not hesitate at all to put it on a filter and be happy with it.

Patrick

[Erv M.]

Re: 1990 Guide or Wagner Halogen Headlamps

Okay, making good progress.

Who makes keys with knockouts for C4's